[Theta Sigma]

Originally Posted by Sonarman

I presume we are talking about the Hotel da Volta addon here, are you sure you were actually charged for it? I also placed an order but no funds were ever withdrawn from my account indicating that Chuck probably was an honest but unlucky businessman.

As posted at D6, I was indeed charged, and the funds were transferred. At the time, the option to place an order without being debited was the apparent intent, but when I did place it, that option was unavailable to me. With the added detail that the addon would be more expensive post-release, I chose to go forward. Naturally, I had not expected this outcome.

Originally Posted by Pioneer

Disclaimer: Acquaintance of Nicki, buddy to East.

Ok, without splitting hairs, Enigma is hosted at D6 cause of a failed relationship elsewhere. While Nicki, East and later I were at TAG, D6 is a pet project of East and I, and because we have those ties, what's left of TAG is held there.

Now, corporate professionalism to the debtors of TAG and to a lessor extent Kelly and I, you may not hear us giving someone a bath...it's not done because it's business. East has been upfront about several matters relating to TAG including the GMX "how much money do you owe us that we may never see?' situation. He has taken a bath elsewhere from others whom are not so professional over matters he has no control over.

I doubt you will ever hear East claim that he lost $X at TAG, he's not that guy. He's the diplomatic professional that I have worked alongside with. Nor would I ever expect him to come out and say "When money evaporated, I mortgaged my house to get that money for the people who had paid." Again, not that type of guy.

I have suffered a huge loss from TAG, however, no where near as much as I suspect he may have.

I have attempted to recoup my $$ from the appropriate source (not East) and I am much like you, unable to get a response. That however does not mean that East is accountable, it's a case that he is the "poster boy" for it's success, which has carried over to it's demise. As for little concern...well, I disagree, however, that comes with the friendship of knowing some (not all) of what he did to get the money back.

There isn't a day that goes by that he doesn't lament the loss of TAG and our attempts to save it, it's like losing a part of your life. Unlike most of us though, we get to on with our lives and plug in each day for that pay check, he hasn't drawn a TAG paycheck since I started, and in fact, met a lot of his own expenses.

The claim of suspect towards the responsible entity, again, it might not be correct. This time last year I met both the Governor of LA and the Mayor of Baton Rogue whom were well aware of the TAG situation. From my own independent conversations with both those people, the infrastructure for Sink The Hood and beyond was there. They had it all laid out, in place, ready to go. And they were aware of Chuck and his dealings and the Mayor (I believe) had in fact played E:RT and enjoyed it.

In fairness I have received information from another source who has known Chuck 20 years and they report that this is his first occurrence of "let down". Bad luck it happened to East.

As a former employee of TAG, I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with him in the belief that East did the right thing by all.
As his friend, I'll be more then happy to stand in and go head on with an opponent.

Now I don't know Kelly beyond posts and PMs, but I have always wanted to shake his hand for his part in bringing ERT to us. When others attacked, I often defended and tried to understand. I don't consider don't him a "poster boy" for all the problems, but my comments are not unreasonable not knowing all the parties well. In fact, from your post (reading between the lines again) it would seem our efforts are directed at the same individual. I accept your statement about Mr. Bush, but my meager investigation spawned several failed online ventures and a house for sale. In all, not exactly a smoking gun, but combined with no current email address (to forward my PayPal invoice to), and even difficulty by more important parties in contacting him, I feel that's enough to fear the worst in the present economy.

At least Kelly has friends like yourself. He's lucked out there.

Originally Posted by EAST

Theta Sigma:

No idea why Resurgent defaulted on the purchase, but the results are the same, TAG was done: We financed the purchase.

Incidently, I was developing HDV for Resurgent, but they are the principles (development and publishing). They licensed the rights to do HDV from Tesseraction, TAG didn't take, or for that matter even see any of the proceeds of whatever sales they may have made.

I understand your frustration and respect the way you expressed it. If we had anyway to give back the money Resurgent received from you, we would happily do it. To be honest, we don't even know who all bought the add-on, who was charged, etc.

That said, with Resurgent's websites all down and no contact information available, we are looking to see if Resurgent has been dissolved. If it has, we will release HDV in its current state (not finished). The good news is, the EXE does get rid of STARFORCE and the CD-IN-DRIVE requirement.

--Kelly

As I believe I said before at D6 (perhaps paraphrasing), had the payment I sent gone to you, I would have considered it a donation even if Hotel da Volta had not come to fruition. However, with a once mysterious, and now suspicious, third party as the payee, one who has seem to have stiffed others as well, I don't feel as generous. I have the completed PayPal invoice, and have attached it to my previous emails to that individual which have been bounced back. Kelly, I certainly don't expect nor desire you to personally refund me. It would seem you have suffered far worse in this endeavor. In fact, if the current venture is dissolved, and HDV is released as-is, I would feel more than satisfied with the end product as stated, albeit saddened by the losses incurred.

I appreciate the dialogue here, though I wish you could have said more earlier. The lack of details as to what has been going on are really the crux of my recent posts.