i was really just joking Capn Norm... hey, don't feel sooooo bad, the Canadians have a proud service history with the Oberons... one of the quiestest diesel subs at that time...
plus...
i heard that the new Vics workout with the US subs a lot... and sometimes you guys win...
hey, i'm sure you saw this video (real player)
http://www.cbc.ca/MRL/clips/ram-lo/b..._sub011212.ram
--Mike