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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro
What if dead people's votes get counted?
Like in the first stimulus checks got sent to a lot of dead people?  |
Well the stimulus check were based on SSA rolls not voter rolls, so its apples and oranges, again; also, the local voting jurisdictions are usually the same entities that keep records such as deaths, meaning either they have been lax in reporting to the SSA, or the SSA has been lax in updating their files; also consider the extremely higher probability the local records, due to the proximal nature of the record keeping may be rather more current than the Feds...
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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal
Dead people have SS# that show them as dead, right? Someone had to send a dead person's submission, it gets erased and an IT teams send the info to LE.
Same with stimulus checks, they have to be cashed or deposited, just see who did that and arrest them. There's always litter in the ditches that needs picking up.
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As far a I am aware, every state requires every voter to either sign their ballot or the polling place sign-in book or both; signature don't match, vote don't count, simple as that. In order to cast a valid vote on behalf of a dead person, the fraud would have to know the exact signature used by the original voter on their registration document(s); in 2016, or example, in order to achieve Trump's much coveted goal of winning the popular vote, his minions would have had to find nearly 3 million dead voters (an average of some 60,000 votes in each of the 50 states) and determine their original individual signatures in order to cast valid ballots; they would need nearly double that amount, or about 120,000 votes per state to have won trump a clear majority of the popular vote; the possibilities pulling off such a stunt are staggeringly low...
There have been only two reported major voting frauds committed that voided election result and required new elections to be held and they directly affected US House races; in both cases the attempted fraud was done by GOP operatives and both failed; one involved a process known as vote harvesting and the other involved sequestering of ballots; it should also be noted the officials overseeing the elections in those districts were in the GOP...
The reason dead and otherwise invalid voters tend to linger on voter rolls has more to do with logistics and bad record keeping than any attempt at organized vote fraud; the individual counties in the individual states do not operate from the same level playing fields as each other due to financial, technological, and methodological disparities; some places are blessed with the means, technologies, and logistics capabilities to run smoothly, and some are woefully lacking; in a great many cases, even though the SSA might send an updated 'list of the dead', getting that information into the county systems can either be really simple, just matching one database to another, in the case of tech savvy and equipped jurisdictions, or painfully slow, manual and awkward in the less advanced locales; having the necessary information is useless if there is no efficient means of implementing ts use; backlogs, lack of manpower and just general bureaucratic bungling add to the difficulties in pruning voter rolls...
A local Los Angeles nightly news program had one its "hard hitting, tough" investigative reporters do an expose on the state of the LA County Registrar and the voting rolls; he and his staff actually did a match of the SSA rolls, along with a list of previous voters known to have moved out of the county; after thoroughly checking the lists, it was discovered a bit over 400 names on the list were either deceased or ineligible to vote; in 2018, when the news reporter's audit was done, there were over 5,250,000 voters on the election roils, meaning the error rate was so minute as to be of no impact on the election even if every "dead" vote was cast multiple times (in fact there voted have to have been well over 52, 500 "dead votes to be cast just to achieve a 1% affect on the election results) and it was actually found that of the over 400 "dead" names on the voters rolls, only two could be traced back to any actual votes being cast in those names...
Since Trump made his big stink about alleged "massive voter fraud" in 2016, an awful lot of jurisdictions have taken additional measures to secure their voting systems, so it is even more difficult now to commit vote fraud than it was in 2016; after the GOP lost every House seat in CA's heavily GOP Orange County to the DEMs in the 2018 Midterms, the first time that had happened in over 80 years, both the RNC and the CRP started making noses about there possibly being "massive voting fraud" in Orange county and possibly calling for an investigation; that all fell apart when it was found the Orange County Registrar of Voters was so bothered by Trump's 2016 assertions, he immediately initiated a complete review on the County's election system and records and purged the voter rolls of every invalid name they could find, a job so thorough it impressed other officials in other counties and states who contacted him for advice on how to clean up their systems; the chances the 2018 Elections results were flawed was basically nil; Orange County had become a 'model' for others to follow...
...oh, and did I mention the Orange County Registrar is, himself, a registered Republican? Made it impossibly hard for the RNC and/or the CRP to claim DEM shenanigans...
BTW, I just recently received an application in the mail for a mail-in ballot for the November 2018 Election; they are being sent out to all registered voters of any and all parties and Independents; I noted the mail-back response portion had no individual identifiers(s) at all, no name or reg. number, just a barcode, so, even if somehow intercepted to ftry and find a voter's information, there just is none; I rather suspect the mail-in ballots will be pretty much thee same...
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