[Skybird]

CaptainHaplo,

we talk again some time after the US troops are gone. Two to four years later the consequences of the pespectives I outlined, will probably have had enough time to become so evident that even optimists can no longer evade to realise them.

That is no "bad wishing" and "hoping for the worst" by me. It's just that if you bring out dead seeds on a poisened field, I do not wait to see no harvest coming from it. the whole ME is a mess to artificial nation-building and arbitrary drawing of border and putting together ethnic variables that do nbot work out to well with each other. Iraq before was like that, and it is like that right now, too, even if the new lines are not set by the British, but the americans. Problem is the west has no sense of patience and no feeling for thinking in longe rperiods of time, it always thinks it can rush thinks and manage problems and solve issues and is omnipotent in handling crisis. But things emerge over time, and develoepments cnsume time - and bad things and bad developements will cause their negative consequence slaso not necessarily within the extremely short time frames Wetsern planners set up, but again over long time only. And while this perspective is ignored in western culture so immensely, we mess up things in foreign places so very often. even more so when dealin with Islam, which has a "feeling of time" that more thinks in centuries, than just months and years, like we do.

And as substantial the record of European media is to focus on the bad side of things in Iraq, as solid is the record of American medias to hang on the lips of the government officials and repeating the nice talking by them.