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Old 11-30-08, 05:09 AM   #33
Vinay
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Sure Stealth! When is the last time you saw a jew or Christian cut someones head of on Al Jazeera? Honestly, if you believe that comment of yours your IQ must be below 70.
If you think that the wrong-doings of a thousand people constitute the feelings and opinions of 1.3 billion, you've got some serious ****ing problems with math.

And also take note that the Muslims in the 7th century were perfecting the arts and sciences while the Christians were burning heretics and witches. I'll say it again, it was no different to the Christians or Jews. ALL RELIGIONS (except for Buddhism) believe that if you are not following their belief system, you are an infidel...
You got something wrong. All religions are not like that. There are many religions that is against any kind of violence. Buddhism and Jainism is like that. Hinduism and Sikhism has strict moral code of conduct and will not take up arms because others don't belive in your religion.
These people sure didn't abide by that code. I wouldn't call burning a "witch" after gagging, beating, and stripping her nonviolent:

http://in.reuters.com/article/topNew...33828820080530

Of course, this is quite typical in countries that still have these silly superstitions (Kenya, India, Thailand, Ethiopia . . .).

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They are supposed to take up arms if someone attacks you.
An Indian woman accused of witchcraft was beaten, gagged and burnt to death in a remote eastern village, police said on Friday.

The woman was dragged out of her home, her hands and legs tied and taken to a crematorium where she was set on fire in front of the village which ignored her screams for help.

Well, so much for that motto.

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Like if the Jihadis are attacking you because they don't like you, then you have all the right to take up arms and defend yourself to make sure that Truth, justice and righteousness prevails for a peaceful world. Jewism and Christianity has changed a lot and with each passing day these relgions are becoming more and more progressive because the people are not as religious as before and thought process is given a major share rather than religious books. Especially the world also saw the rise of atheism. All this is a sign of progress of humanity.
As long as there is religion, there is no progress. Someone always tries to take hold of power. No two can ever coexist, because it is inevitable, no matter what beliefs they hold, that one will try to destroy the other.

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A lot of changes has taken in the Islamic world as well, but the foundation is not changed and hence Islam is a big problem.
If you had ever read the Qur'an, you would know that it teaches peace, nonviolence, and tolerance to your fellow man. These people who declare Jihads are not true Muslims because the teachings of Muhammad state that anybody who is a non-Muslim is NOT an infidel, they are just lower in the social classes (BUT THEY ARE STILL TO BE TOLERATED).

The foundation of Islam does not need to change; the people do.

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Until Mecca and Medina are liberated from the hands of the fundamentalists and handed over to the moderates, you will see a violent Islam. Muslims may be. But they were doing it not because Islam said them to do that but their original faiths (the so called pagan faiths were like that like , pre Islamic Egyptian, Zoroastianism etc) The true version of Islam is the Taliban. That is Islam and what you achieve in an truly Islamic state is this
Until fundamentalism the world over (in every religion) is wiped out, nobody is safe.

The true version of Islam is NOT what the Taliban promotes. Hatred and violence are not supposed to be part of the Muslim manifesto, and for most it isn't. You only hear the bad about it, but what about the good? What about Saladin, who gave away every last coin in his treasury to the poor and sick and needy? What about Dr. Mohammad Mossadeq, who opposed imperialistic views in government and fought long and hard for the freedom of Iranian industry and trade? What about Samuel Rahbar, who discovered a plasma-detecting form of hemoglobin?

Don't get me wrong. I'm an Atheist, and I will remain that way simply because I've seen what religion can do to people when it's misused (and it's not good), but we have to get our facts straight before we start any religion.
The Hindu scriptures never explains about witches. Witches is non existent in Hinduism. On what basis are you trying to link Hinduism to witchcraft. It's ignorance.

It's an absurd thought that only Atheism leads to progress. Like atheism, certain religion can co-exist with Atheism like other than the religions consider itself to be the only way (which leads to fundamentalism) and the religions that requires only itself to survive by eliminating others (Islam). Coexistence of religion, you can look at India and see. Even Jewism thrived here. The Zoroastarians must have become extinct in Persia but you can see them in India. Hence religions can co-exist. There is no need to destroy the other, if the other is not violent and don't wants you out. Fundamentalism and violence out of religion will lead to peace.

The true version of Islam is what the Taliban propogates. But should we consider it as true is the question? It's violent. Any Muslim can live a moderate life without showing hatred towards the other. But once they start to belive in the Quran word by word, they become Taliban and anti-Human. Don't link scientific inventions, progressive thinking with Islam. It's against Islamic Quran. If Muslims have done it good. It's progressive. I wish they also come up with a Quran that is progressive insted of asking people to be killed because they don't belive in Allah.

Last edited by Vinay; 11-30-08 at 05:19 AM.
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