[Wolfehunter]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I believe both sides are claiming ignorance. I do however agree with you that the parents said the girl was having problems thus closer attention was warranted. That is the only failure I can see for the parents. Internet activity should have been monitored if the girl was in a state of mind that would not be considered normal 13 year old activity.

I agree

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Parents can only drill so far. I was a kid once, I knew what my parents knew about me and I knew what they did not know about me. My point is, parents can not be at all places at all times. Parents can only hope to lead by example and provide the appropriate answers when questions of asked. However, did this women posing as a teenager take her responsibility that she screwed up? I'm thinking not.

This is true. Their is a limit to what parents can and cannot do. But that is a parents choice. How far are you willing to go to protect your children? Lory is a screwed up individual I never questioned it. For all I know she's a 49 year old woman on menopause who forgot to take her meds?

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

That is the problem right there...accepted norm. What others seem acceptable, I may not hence...what I think is PG-13 material my not be what you consider PG-13 material. Accepted norms have gotten us in more trouble then the unaccepted norms. But, society likes to have a blind eye to it because the masses believe it is all ok.

I agree with you. I don't accept the norm. I don't have cable TV its banned in my house. Why should I have my daughter see censored garbage? Plenty of books, sports and outdoors experiences to play with friends and family. TV rots the mind.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Sure we are liberal as a society. It was a liberal that came up with the 'time out chair'. Tell you what, if so deemed necessary, my kids behind would be to red to be using 'the time out chair'. Fortunate for me and my wife, we have not had to resort to that type of punishment. Again, it is lead by example and paying attention. I'll give you short story on my niece. Her parents swear like sailors and threaten physical harm, sometime as a joke, sometimes not. One day I asked my niece (age 7 at the time) to sit in her chair for lunch. She said, "No and I'm going to kick your a$$'. As plain as day. I knew were that talk came from. Mom and dad. So, again, lead by example. Watch your tongue and actions.

A good backhand would have smarten her up if she was my niece.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Just another example of liberal thinking in this country. It is a very sad time that we as parents and I refer back to my previous post, that sexuality is drilled in at a very young age which leads us back to the accepted norm. It is not normal for 13 year olds to be having sex. Nor is it normal to be providing birth control in any form to a 13 year old because that shows nothing but throwing your hands up in the air and saying, "this is the accepted norm so she is going to do it anyway, here is a condom. BTW, mom and dad do not need to find out.' Doing this relieves the parents of any responsibility. Pure rubbish and just another form of government intervention. It takes a village to raise a child. No, it take concerned parents and not the type that just dropped of 9 kids in Nebraska because state law allows parents to drop off their kids at a hospital without recourse. The law was originally for newborns. Now it is any kid.

I agree with you but the solution is remove the government and restore normal rules.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Parents can not be responsible for her being an outcast. Never the less, I refer back to my first response, if the child was already having issues, better parent intervention was called for. Apparently this was lacking and the end result reflects that. But, this women did get a hold of this young girl on the internet and if that does not ring a bell or two for you, then I do not know what will. She too is responsible for her actions. Furthermore, I believe this woman daughter was in on it and thus feeding her mom the current situation with this 'outcast' and for no good reason decided it was high time to demoralize the girls further. This case IMO is not a one way street.

Hence the reason why the parents failed and their daughter is dead.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I did not state anywhere that someone else was responsible for this child or my own. I stated, that in todays world it is media emotional overload that is pumped to kids 24/7. You would have to agree that parenting today is far and beyond what it was 50 years ago. My cell phone when I was a kid was two tin cans and string. My computer was a calculator. Kids actually talked face to face and play real baseball and not virtual baseball in the comfort of their homes over a internet line. Dungeons and Dragons was played at a table with books and dice. Not on the world wide web and with who the hell knows on the other end playing an ogre. My point, there is more to look after in todays world. That is my point in the previous post.

I know I was their too. I've played Tabletop games aswell. I've done fishing and hunting. I used to play soccor and hockey. I used to fixup scrap cars and motorcrosses from my friends scrapyard and we would race in the forest trails. Cool times. skidooing and skiing good times. I've been their AVGWarhawk. My daughter in her own way will experience some of these. She loves fishing... Especially when she catches a bigger fish than me and her Opa.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

No need to be sorry for disagreeing, that is what conversations are about sometimes. But, you have to admit that the woman posing as a teenager playing mind games with an adult brain and knowing what would get to a teenager metally is outright wrong. The internet just provided an outlet for this woman to do this. There is something inherently wrong with that. You do not see that this action by a mom and her daughter along with a friend is a bit distressing?

I know she's screwed up. She's on some freaky menopause trip and forgot to take her meds.

Parents are the controling factor. They control the electricity... they pay for it. They control the internet.. They pay for it. They control the TV /Cable/Satellite... They pay for it. Parents can monitor and screen their house if their child isn't playing by the rules. But the best way to instill knowledge is when their young before the world environment starts to corrupt their minds with nonsense.

If you know your kids in trouble how far are you willing to go to save them from a crackpot or themselves? I'm saying you or anyone else here wouldn't do their best to save their own. But many out their don't go all the way. Megan's parents failed AWGWarhawk because shes dead.