[AVGWarhawk]

AVGWarhawk Ignorance isn't an excuse. Parents are responsible for their children actions. No boogyman is.

I believe both sides are claiming ignorance. I do however agree with you that the parents said the girl was having problems thus closer attention was warranted. That is the only failure I can see for the parents. Internet activity should have been monitored if the girl was in a state of mind that would not be considered normal 13 year old activity.

Basically speaking its our job to raise our kids right. If we fail they fail too. Its always easier for people to point the finger than take the responsibility of their own ****ups. So we must take all our experiance and drill it into the childrens head.

Parents can only drill so far. I was a kid once, I knew what my parents knew about me and I knew what they did not know about me. My point is, parents can not be at all places at all times. Parents can only hope to lead by example and provide the appropriate answers when questions of asked. However, did this women posing as a teenager take her responsibility that she screwed up? I'm thinking not.

Brainwashing of Media, entertainment, the system, etc we as a parent can properly educated our children if we choose to help them. Media spam is everywhere this is an excepted norm. If my child sees a nipple or two on the net then its my responsibility to help her understand whats that about.

That is the problem right there...accepted norm. What others seem acceptable, I may not hence...what I think is PG-13 material my not be what you consider PG-13 material. Accepted norms have gotten us in more trouble then the unaccepted norms. But, society likes to have a blind eye to it because the masses believe it is all ok.

Our society aren't liberal AVGw. Our societies are screwed up. We are parents but we can't parent properly because our government passes laws that makes it difficult for us to do the job. Slapping a kid is considered abuse. What nonsense crap is that. Some children can use a good wack on the behind.

Sure we are liberal as a society. It was a liberal that came up with the 'time out chair'. Tell you what, if so deemed necessary, my kids behind would be to red to be using 'the time out chair'. Fortunate for me and my wife, we have not had to resort to that type of punishment. Again, it is lead by example and paying attention. I'll give you short story on my niece. Her parents swear like sailors and threaten physical harm, sometime as a joke, sometimes not. One day I asked my niece (age 7 at the time) to sit in her chair for lunch. She said, "No and I'm going to kick your a$$'. As plain as day. I knew were that talk came from. Mom and dad. So, again, lead by example. Watch your tongue and actions.

Here is a situation that troubles me and is quite common to many parents facing it,
Where I live a girl 12 or older can aquire meds for abortions or birth control without parents knowledge. School nurses or doctors can provide them to girls when they have an accident without parents knowledge. No if I found out my daughter is screwing around there will be some consequences. I don't give a damb what the laws says. You know why? Because I will be stuck with the problem when the accident happens. If I don't handle it the system will take her away. But that doesn't mean I'm a good parent because I wash my hands. So I'll prepare her before that day comes so she's ready to make the right choice. Because if she doesn't I failed as her father.

Just another example of liberal thinking in this country. It is a very sad time that we as parents and I refer back to my previous post, that sexuality is drilled in at a very young age which leads us back to the accepted norm. It is not normal for 13 year olds to be having sex. Nor is it normal to be providing birth control in any form to a 13 year old because that shows nothing but throwing your hands up in the air and saying, "this is the accepted norm so she is going to do it anyway, here is a condom. BTW, mom and dad do not need to find out.' Doing this relieves the parents of any responsibility. Pure rubbish and just another form of government intervention. It takes a village to raise a child. No, it take concerned parents and not the type that just dropped of 9 kids in Nebraska because state law allows parents to drop off their kids at a hospital without recourse. The law was originally for newborns. Now it is any kid.

This isn't something AVGw that happen overnight. These issue with megan's parents was action of neglect through many years. Megan had alot of problems from her past in school and in society. She was and outcast. Parents are responsible.

Parents can not be responsible for her being an outcast. Never the less, I refer back to my first response, if the child was already having issues, better parent intervention was called for. Apparently this was lacking and the end result reflects that. But, this women did get a hold of this young girl on the internet and if that does not ring a bell or two for you, then I do not know what will. She too is responsible for her actions. Furthermore, I believe this woman daughter was in on it and thus feeding her mom the current situation with this 'outcast' and for no good reason decided it was high time to demoralize the girls further. This case IMO is not a one way street.

Children are an extension of you. Their your future and past all in one. They are your legacy. Your responsiblity and no one else.

Sorry AVGwarhawk I dissagree with your statment totally

I did not state anywhere that someone else was responsible for this child or my own. I stated, that in todays world it is media emotional overload that is pumped to kids 24/7. You would have to agree that parenting today is far and beyond what it was 50 years ago. My cell phone when I was a kid was two tin cans and string. My computer was a calculator. Kids actually talked face to face and play real baseball and not virtual baseball in the comfort of their homes over a internet line. Dungeons and Dragons was played at a table with books and dice. Not on the world wide web and with who the hell knows on the other end playing an ogre. My point, there is more to look after in todays world. That is my point in the previous post.

No need to be sorry for disagreeing, that is what conversations are about sometimes. But, you have to admit that the woman posing as a teenager playing mind games with an adult brain and knowing what would get to a teenager metally is outright wrong. The internet just provided an outlet for this woman to do this. There is something inherently wrong with that. You do not see that this action by a mom and her daughter along with a friend is a bit distressing?