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Old 11-25-08, 12:10 PM   #63
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Originally Posted by Gorshkov
As we can see battleships sank after three torpedo hits and were badly damaged after one hit. Larger carriers sank after 2.33 hits on average and escort carriers after one or two were sunk or judged as "total loss". Light cruisers could not withstand 1-2 torpedo hits.
Making a claim that ALL BBs should be "badly damaged" with 1 hit is silly. The web site you use explicitly states that the warship data is very incomplete, except for sinkings. The "overhall" times tell us nothing about the real damage. Taiyo was hit by 1 fish, and was drydocked for 2 months. Warships are designed to shrug off hits in limited areas (usually around the mechanical spaces amidships). Armor weighs a lot, so it's always a trade off. If the fish hits the right place, a single hit on any ship can create severe damage. CVs are particularly vulnerable due to aircraft embarked (and fuel, and bombs).

U-boats never sank a "larger carrier." The biggest was practically a CVL.

CLs die to 1-2 hits from US torpedoes as well, no difference at all. No IJN CL took more than 2 hits and lived, though some were overkilled with 3-4. You can only have a sense of where "overkill" is if you have all data on ships attacked but not sunk, though (you need to know the most hits a given type took and lived).

Looking at CVs and CVEs sank by mk14s, the average was 2.5 fish (discounting damages as you do). That includes the 64.8k ton Shinano. Of the 8 sinkings, 3 were considerably larger than the largest sunk by a u-boat. Discounting those that are bigger than 22k tons, the average is 2.4 fish per CV.

So effectively zero difference in results vs warships with German vs American torpedoes.

The rule for results vs warships, IMO, should be massive variability for CVs, 1 hit possible kills, which are usually due to secondary problems (impossible to model in SH with no progressive damage), while shrugging off many hits should also be possible. CAs seem pretty tough, the min to sink one (IJN) was 4 fish, and Kongo sank with 3 at nearly 3X the size. Not sure why CAs should be tougher, but they seem to be. CLs sink pretty much like DDs.

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