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AntEater · 11-19-08, 01:13 PM

Actually, the old series was quite cheesy in its days.
William Shatner ('nuff said), dead Redshirts, sex crazed female aliens, fistfights with dinosaurs with zippers on their backs...
I think the ratio of really great to outrageously bad episodes was about 1:1.
Star Treck is interesting in the way it changed with society.
TOS was still a bit western like
TNG was politically correct, nonviolent (how often I wished Picard would simply blast all those alien idiots to hell instead of negotiating) and racially integrated, even with Androids.
DS9 was in some ways the most interesting, but was still too stuck the conventional storywriting of Star Trek.
Voyager had a great idea but I always wondered how they managed to get their ship shot to hell every episode and get her shipshape again with no noticable change the next episode.
Never saw Enterprise, though.
I watched some DS9 last (Season 6 I think, the one with Nicole de Boer) season episodes on Stage6 before it went down, and was struck by how conventional and predictable even the least conventional and predictable Star Trek show was compared to BSG or even many Babylon 5 episodes.
I hadn't seen any Star Trek show for a few years, I must admit.
Almost no story arcs, always two stories per episode, often one serious, one funny, then a mostly miraculous and often illogical resolution of at least one of them, with a moral message.
I know that the producers of BSG were once storywriters for DS9, but apparently I missed their episodes.
To be short, if they ever want to do another star trek TV series, they will have to do some serious catching up because until the very last episode, it seems that ST was still a very old fashioned TV show dramaturgically.

Regarding the "young" crew, Shatner and Nemoy were not teenage stars anymore in the old series, but the whole Kirk/Spock star trek movies except for the first were some kind of "pandering to the baby boomers getting old" kind of sheme.
Now the boomers are getting fewer and fewer and they need new target groups.

One problem with Star Trek (with all SF series) here is bad dubbing. Especially since even a relatively nonviolent series like ST has a lot of military terms in it which german dubbing studios apparently have no idea about.
On the other hand, German TNG never had the nagging question why Captain PicarD was a frenchman with a perfect Oxfort accent.

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AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Actually, the old series was quite cheesy in its days. William Shatner ('nuff said), dead Redshirts, sex crazed female aliens, fistfights with dinosaurs with zippers on their backs... I think the ratio of really great to outrageously bad episodes was about 1:1. Star Treck is interesting in the way it changed with society. TOS was still a bit western like TNG was politically correct, nonviolent (how often I wished Picard would simply blast all those alien idiots to hell instead of negotiating) and racially integrated, even with Androids. DS9 was in some ways the most interesting, but was still too stuck the conventional storywriting of Star Trek. Voyager had a great idea but I always wondered how they managed to get their ship shot to hell every episode and get her shipshape again with no noticable change the next episode. Never saw Enterprise, though. I watched some DS9 last (Season 6 I think, the one with Nicole de Boer) season episodes on Stage6 before it went down, and was struck by how conventional and predictable even the least conventional and predictable Star Trek show was compared to BSG or even many Babylon 5 episodes. I hadn't seen any Star Trek show for a few years, I must admit. Almost no story arcs, always two stories per episode, often one serious, one funny, then a mostly miraculous and often illogical resolution of at least one of them, with a moral message. I know that the producers of BSG were once storywriters for DS9, but apparently I missed their episodes. To be short, if they ever want to do another star trek TV series, they will have to do some serious catching up because until the very last episode, it seems that ST was still a very old fashioned TV show dramaturgically. Regarding the "young" crew, Shatner and Nemoy were not teenage stars anymore in the old series, but the whole Kirk/Spock star trek movies except for the first were some kind of "pandering to the baby boomers getting old" kind of sheme. Now the boomers are getting fewer and fewer and they need new target groups. One problem with Star Trek (with all SF series) here is bad dubbing. Especially since even a relatively nonviolent series like ST has a lot of military terms in it which german dubbing studios apparently have no idea about. On the other hand, German TNG never had the nagging question why Captain PicarD was a frenchman with a perfect Oxfort accent. __________________ Last edited by AntEater; 11-19-08 at 01:19 PM.