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Originally Posted by Hitman
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A good example of what I'm saying is a cold war scenario I did set up some time ago, using LWAMI 3.08. A Kilo 877 versus a 688 (Non improved) in the Barents Sea, representing the russian is out there watching for enemy submarines trying to track exiting boomers from Poljarny. I did set random start boxes and fixed a reasonable area to be able to hunt around. But no matter how slow I moved, the 688 always shot at me first, without me even having been able to hear it! The first notice I have, is a TIW report. Yeah, it's a 877, but moving around at 4 knots it should be more silent, I think, specially for a non-improved 688 (Which has not the improved towed array of the 688i IIRC).
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I think RA should fix that(I'm not saying that LWAMI is bad). With All stop you will effectively disappear with the background noise. Playing with RA has made me to respect the value of diesel boats much much more. In fact now I HATE having to watch out for those diesel subs. Closing in even within 1 nm doesn't guarantee me of detecting them passively. At slow speds they are effectively quieter than even the Seawolf SSNs. So you can imagine their quietness.
Coordination with air platforms and or surface ASW are needed to hunt for SSK. So now I know why the British didn't find the Argentine's SSKs at all even with their carrier's ASW capability.
So when I play a scenario as a lone SSN having been assigned an area known to be patrolled by enemy diesels and I can't afford to reveal my position to enemy surface combatants in the area, I just pray that I'm not passing near them and rely on my high speed capability in the event that one launches a torp at me. I cannot possibly hope to detect any of them passively and in the event that I did that would mean they were already in the kill zone of my sub.
And when assigned to hunt for SSK in relatively shallow water I can forget finding them passively........I will glare with my active. Unless I'm willing to spend extended time to outtime the diesel boat's battery or if she's stopping, her supplies( but this is no modeled in game, I mean the supplies, because depleting batteries are modeled). Diesel boats are annoying little pric*s.....I HATE THEM.
which made me think that any diesel equipped with Shkval rocket torpedo would become a very lethal mobile mine.