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Old 11-12-08, 05:13 PM   #11
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The Pentagon maintained that all four weapons had been "destroyed".

This may be technically true, since the bombs were no longer complete, but declassified documents obtained by the BBC under the US Freedom of Information Act, parts of which remain classified, reveal a much darker story, which has been confirmed by individuals involved in the clear-up and those who have had access to details since.

The documents make clear that within weeks of the incident, investigators piecing together the fragments realised that only three of the weapons could be accounted for.

Even by the end of January, one document talks of a blackened section of ice which had re-frozen with shroud lines from a weapon parachute. "Speculate something melted through ice such as burning primary or secondary," the document reads, the primary or secondary referring to parts of the weapon.

By April, a decision had been taken to send a Star III submarine to the base to look for the lost bomb, which had the serial number 78252. (A similar submarine search off the coast of Spain two years earlier had led to another weapon being recovered.)

But the real purpose of this search was deliberately hidden from Danish officials.

One document from July reads: "Fact that this operation includes search for object or missing weapon part is to be treated as confidential NOFORN", the last word meaning not to be disclosed to any foreign country.
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But eventually, the search was abandoned. Diagrams and notes included in the declassified documents make clear it was not possible to search the entire area where debris from the crash had spread.

As well as the fact they contained uranium and plutonium, the abandoned weapons parts were highly sensitive because of the way in which the design, shape and amount of uranium revealed classified elements of nuclear warhead design.

It would be very difficult for anyone else to recover classified pieces if we couldn't find them."

The view was that no-one else would be able covertly to acquire the sensitive pieces and that the radioactive material would dissolve in such a large body of water, making it harmless.

Other officials who have seen classified files on the accident confirmed the abandonment of a weapon.
That are not any distorted, complex, twisted statements, but pretty much straight statements. Also, it is not as if it would not make sense, assuming that one of the explosions of conventional explosives around the warheads saw one warhead melting through the ice and falling down to the bottom of the ocean floor.

technically I cannot decide who is right and who is wrong here. just wiping the story off the table becasue it just were some "unknowing journalists", I do not accept, though. the incompetence of these researchers needs to be proven, then. Assuming they have those documents indeed, that might be a bit difficult.

You referred to that Danish website, and you implied the documents there, and those the BBC got, are one and the same. How do you know? Have you seen and compared both? Or did you mean the vids on the BBC site only - well, they are hardly the "evidence" the BBC mentioned when they talked of "declassified documents obtained by the BBC under the US Freedom of Information Act, parts of which remain classified". Different to that part on "documents", the BBC refers to it'S obtained video like this: "A declassified US government video, obtained by the BBC, documents the clear-up and gives some ideas of the scale of the operation. " It is not the evidence they claim to have, only illustrates the scope of the cleaning operation.

So, Mike, for the public it is your claim against theirs. I wonder how sure you can be of your sources, considering that if the thing happened back then it would have fallen under top secrecy to cover the incident? Do you think the official version is the true version just because it is the US Air Force saying so? If they would tell the truth every time they are getting asked, that hardly would be called secrecy and "NOFORN".
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