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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo
At no point did I ever state that the US should not make changes - what I said was that if your expecting us ALL to do so at the whim of some theory called global warming - your smoking crack. I have no problem with being involved in a solution, and if someone wants to bring up the world wars - in WW2 we were heavily involved well before 1942 thank you. Oh but of course us being the "evil USA" lets just concentrate on the negative - and totally disregard that we bailed europe's A$$ out of the fire not once but twice - with the blood of American men. And you people claim that it is WE who are "self-absorbed" and self-righteous.
Skybird, you actually do well proving my point - the billions of people in the far east are not willing to change their patterns of behavior. Yet you seem intent on making us Americans the "bad guys" for not changing our own habits. Somehow its "ok" to give them a pass, but definitely can't give it to those dastardly Americans!
Now - I again turn to point out solutions. The sulpher-oxide option is but one - and no one has brought up any others. So tell me - who would be the first to fund and work on such an effort? Probably us "EVIL AMERICANS". Who in the world would be willing and able to devote the manufacturing base needed to make such a thing a reality? China wouldn't - Russia wouldn't - the EU can't (hell you all can't even agree on being one entity half the time, much less work together on something that will require manufacturing teamwork.). So who are you gonna call on when your little half measures do nothing more than inconvienence your lives, yet solve nothing? That's right, you will look to the World Leader - the one you have sat here and badmouthed so much, and want help. We will give it - and be vilified still. That is simply the way it is when your the "top dog" - everyone is jealous and since they can't pass you fairly, they want to drag you down. Well - sorry, but many of us Americans just ain't having it.
So I have challenged you 3 times now Skybird, to talk solutions. You want me to change my way of living - yet you can show NO proof that doing so will actually make a difference. Actually, you proved in your last post that it would NOT change anything. So show me why I should make changes - show me how those changes will make a diffence - or stop trying to make it out like I am some selfish person because I don't want to act in a way "you" approve of when it won't matter anyway. Also - either step up and talk solutions - or can you not do so? After all - solving problems is alot harder than pointing fingers.....
And for the record - I have 2 children that I work my tail off to provide for - not only the necessities but a superior education - so that they can truly appreciate and continue to conserve a wonderful planet. I hope to see them enjoy it - so I look for real workable answers - not feel good fairy foo foo claptrap that does nothing but give ignorant people a sense of self-importance.
Or - to put it the challenge of talking real solutions in the terms of an old American saying - "Put up, or (hush) up.".
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How often must I repeat that excessive spending of limited natural ressources is they main problem and that any technical reduction of emissions alone will not be sufficient, before you understand it? You are fixated on exclusively those ways to see the problem that would leave you without need to change that excessive spending. And exactly that is the problem. with America. with the EU. And with the asian economies as well. Right now the US hides behind India and china, while China and India hide behind the US' stubborness not to change. Since the US pollutes roughly as much as 3-4 times as many Chinese, and consumes the relative greatest share of global ressources although just coming up with 5% of global population, it is up to America to do the first step and set an example. As a nation, China may have taken first position in total emissions recently. But in "pollution per head", America still is record holder, before the EU and before China both of which have much more population. It is no secret that major parts of the american industry are hopelessly outdated, and can survive in global competiton only by help of very massive subsidies and trade protection (wait, what is the US' official position on regulated trade...). Subsidies that still are not used for modernising. Some years ago, it seemed that China would eventually move, which was a threat for Washington, they lobbied heavily with the chinese and took a tough stand on climate themselves, as a result, any hope that China would move had come to an end, they used Washingtons position to claim they will not change their economy as long as Washington does not, and Washington's mission to prevent adressing emission control was successfully acchieved.
Hell, Washington even
forbid federal states to establish rules for CO2 regulation! That says it all.
And just for the record, do not compare your country'S climate goals to that of the EU. If the EUs estimations on what could be acchieved are correct, is somethign different, but the goals that were formulated, simply
outclasses any American evvrionmental awareness and poltical goals there are. While I am not happy with the EU approach as well and criticise is as not sufficient, it nevertheless is lightyears ahead of America.