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Reno · 11-07-08, 12:09 PM

No worries. Like you, I think his spirit will always be here. As far as his work being continued and improved upon, I always thought, and I think Dave thought too, that the water reflections, water effects, and water colors were pretty much done to his satisfaction and to his vision of the way the Pacific Ocean really was. In other words, with respect to the water, he was pretty much done. There was no indication in any of the threads that I have read so far that Dave thought the water color was that much off that it needed to be changed to a vivid blue.

I always felt that the variety of hues and colors in ROW was perfect and did not need to be improved upon. I've spent time in Vietnam and Korea and swam in the South China Sea. In my opinion Dave's vision of the Pacific is alot closer to the way the waters normally were then the vivid blue I'm constantly seeing in PE4 and by extention, RFB.

Don't get me wrong. I think there is always room for improvement but the ROW water effects were damn near perfect and should have been left alone. In reading the ROW threads, when Dave was still with us, it seemed most everyone felt the same way too. Just as an example...

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=111

I think what happened here is some folks latched on to some pretty pictures and used them as baseline colors. The shot of the carrier steaming along in blue water is an example. I can show you a similar photo of the Teddy R in the Atlantic with the same vivid blue. And we all know how the Atlantic can get. To use that color as an Atlantic baseline would be just as wrong as using it as a Pacific baseline. I've already shown you a photo of the Luzon area. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...38&postcount=2 I can also show you photos of Tokyo Bay that are nowhere near the blue of PE4.

The creators of PE4 have a vision of the Pacific that is very different from Dave's vision. I'm not saying their vision is wrong, I'm just saying it's different. All I ask is that PE4 remain a separate mod and that the Classic ROW be kept alive for those who choose that vision. Add to it yes. Improve on the sky and land textures, make it have better sound, better clouds, make it compatible with 1.5, but please leave the water alone. If it's not broke, don't fix it. Thanks for listening.

11-07-08, 12:09 PM	#7
Reno Electrician's Mate Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 133 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	No worries. Like you, I think his spirit will always be here. As far as his work being continued and improved upon, I always thought, and I think Dave thought too, that the water reflections, water effects, and water colors were pretty much done to his satisfaction and to his vision of the way the Pacific Ocean really was. In other words, with respect to the water, he was pretty much done. There was no indication in any of the threads that I have read so far that Dave thought the water color was that much off that it needed to be changed to a vivid blue. I always felt that the variety of hues and colors in ROW was perfect and did not need to be improved upon. I've spent time in Vietnam and Korea and swam in the South China Sea. In my opinion Dave's vision of the Pacific is alot closer to the way the waters normally were then the vivid blue I'm constantly seeing in PE4 and by extention, RFB. Don't get me wrong. I think there is always room for improvement but the ROW water effects were damn near perfect and should have been left alone. In reading the ROW threads, when Dave was still with us, it seemed most everyone felt the same way too. Just as an example... http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=111 I think what happened here is some folks latched on to some pretty pictures and used them as baseline colors. The shot of the carrier steaming along in blue water is an example. I can show you a similar photo of the Teddy R in the Atlantic with the same vivid blue. And we all know how the Atlantic can get. To use that color as an Atlantic baseline would be just as wrong as using it as a Pacific baseline. I've already shown you a photo of the Luzon area. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...38&postcount=2 I can also show you photos of Tokyo Bay that are nowhere near the blue of PE4. The creators of PE4 have a vision of the Pacific that is very different from Dave's vision. I'm not saying their vision is wrong, I'm just saying it's different. All I ask is that PE4 remain a separate mod and that the Classic ROW be kept alive for those who choose that vision. Add to it yes. Improve on the sky and land textures, make it have better sound, better clouds, make it compatible with 1.5, but please leave the water alone. If it's not broke, don't fix it. Thanks for listening. Last edited by Reno; 11-07-08 at 01:38 PM.