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Old 11-05-08, 11:39 PM   #129
Christopher Snow
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I just happen to recognize that men who operate WITHOUT some guidance from God (and some willingess to listen to him) are generally far worse off (and are far more "devolved" than are those who are at least willing to listen.
Operating on that logic, if someone sought guidance from Captain Kirk, they'd make better decisions than if they hadn't?

And for that matter, am I devolving because I dont ask a God for guidance in my daily decision making?

In my recollection, people in positions of power who have thought that they have been given 'divine guidance' haven't exactly had the greatest of successes, have they. :hmm:
Good points, all.

1) Kirk: If the "someone" in question were a starship captain, then yes, I think he or she would be likely to make better decisions after having consulted him.

I think that even stands up logically.

2) Quite possibly yes. Please do note, before I proceed any further, that I, myself, am "guilty*" of the same crime/error almost every day too. In fact, I've probably been "guilty*" of it for longer than you have been--as a "Christian," I, personally, am a collossal failure.

[* I use the word tongue-in-cheek, so don't jump all over me--it's just because I cannot, at the moment, think of one that illustrates the dual concept of "choice"+"responsibility" and any better]

3) Very true. On the whole, (and because, IMO, even our best leaders have rarely been able to keep ego and self-centeredness out of their "talks with God"), a great many leaders HAVE, indeed, failed to succeed.

"Talking to God"...and relying on his wisdom (when it trumps your own) is a very difficult thing to do well--in my own experience (I am very, very poor at prayer), it's almost futile.

But I believe it is, despite all that, STILL the best hope and best path by which man might improve himself and his lot (WITHOUT doing so at the expense of his fellow man).

To put it another way (and I'm sure you've heard this one): "if God did not exist, it would still be necessary for man to invent him."

"Man, left only to his own nature, is just a monster**"

[**don't know if anyone else ever said this, but the last phrase is purely my own. To put it still another way: "I don't trust...US...left only to ourselves."]


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