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Originally Posted by Bewolf
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Originally Posted by Christopher Snow
Prediction: Germany will bail completely out of Afghanistan at the first opportunity.
Obama, for his part, will reinstitute the US draft quite soon. He will withdraw US forces ASAP from Iraq....(which should thrill all you EU types)...and he'll build instead in Afgh in a show of force.
Which won't intimidate anyone, and from which he will then gradually back down.
["A Strategic Withdrawal," he'll call it]
At which point the Russians will begin to exert a "creeping pressure" of their own in from the east.
Ukraine first...then Georgia (or maybe the other way round)....
You in the EU will WANT to raise the alarm at this point...and you will try....but who can help you?
Well WE can't. How could we? We're nearly bankrupt, with everyone over here suddenly on the dole---we've just gone socialist, remember, so everyone here is expecting (demanding!) his free handout....we've got to deal with all that first.....
.....you in the EU you are screwed. Too bad for you.
[But at least you got what you all wished for--"No more George W Bush!"]
Emergency measures taken on your side of the pond! No more 8 weeks of paid vacation (cut quickly now to only two weeks)....and no more 35 hour work weeks (it's thrust suddenly to 45, or even 50, and against great protests).
Still too little to late. You never did build up any meaningful military reserves (because you counted on us to provide them for all these years), so you have nothing to fall back on.....
Too bad for you.
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Oh, I suppose then you dug yourself into german politics and culture deep enough to make such a qualified prediction, hm? My respect, you'd be the first american I met actually caring and informing himself about other countries internal affairs. |
Nah! Don't give me any undeserved credit. I neither dug in deep[ly], nor should you give me credit for doing so [let's not fool either of ourselves--I don't care much at all for German politics, nor do you expect me to].
So now that we are done with that bit of nonsense:
For Russia US involvement in the middle east is a present right from heaven itself. It binds US ressources, takes away US capability in countering russian endeavors and undermines US authority in general. A McCain with his sabre rattling is the best Russia could hope for, it would play right into their stratetigc interests to brand the US as a hypoctitic agressor and legitimite their ow actions. Or do you think Russia would have dared to march into Georgie with a strong US with all it's forces ready opposing it?
Hardly.
[Yes I think Russia would have marched westward, straight into Georgia, regardless of which US forces opposed it (and even against McCain) . I do also think they WILL march westward in similar fashion against Obama, and I think neither one could...or would really do that much to stop it. We have no forces to speak of in reserve, and they know it.
It's too bad YOUR countries don't seem to know it].
So, I think you are very much screwed, and it's only a matter of time until the Russians begin to test this idea (it's not fear mongering--it's a WARNING, not that there is much point to it (but it's the best I can do for you).
If you cannot build up your forces, then I suggest you be ready to "bug out" at short notice.
Short of using NUKES against them, I don't think we can help you. So, as I said before, you let us know what you want us to do (and then Obama will decide either to back you up with nukes or let you be run over--I'm not sure which way he will go. Are YOU confident either way?)
So, please stop your fear mongering. We know very well what we owe the US in beeing involved in Europe for so long, but we also know it was by far not an act of pure altruism, but of US strategic interests. And something else to ponder..Germany had the opportunity to unite, the offer from the russian side was on the table, for the price of beeing neutral in the cold war. Instead western Germany chose to stick to the western allies and wait 50 years for reunification, despite beeing the premier battlefield and facing utter destruction in case war broke out. This is by far not as one sided as american folks tend to make it out. I won't even go into the military contribution Germany would have made in such a scenario. Unthankfulness? Hardly a european phenomennon alone.
So, please cut back your emotional rethorics and come back to the facts, yes? I am more then willing to discuss any of your points, as long they are at least remotely based on reality.