[Christopher Snow]

[quote=caspofungin]@snow
um, ok. birth rate is inherently related to gdp, rather than specifically due to a socialist viewpoint. what does abortion or "infanticide" or the pope have to do with an argument of socialism v capitalism?

Pope JP II (not just "a pope," but rather this specific pope ) would have argued that a socialist society, which embraced (even only "unofficially" a monstrosity as great as infanticide" would have also, necessarily been an arguement against socialismin general. He would have argued that Socialism itself, if it could support infanticide, was necessarily at least suspect. And possibly even quite degenerate (and I would have agreed).

I would put it, myself, in economic terms (roughly as outlined in previous posts).

JP II himself might have said "the deliberate devaluation of human beings is monstrous. Evil. And a society which supports it is monstrous too.

And this is what the Nazis did in the 1930's and 40's.

They decided some human being were simply "inconvenient."

Perhaps only 80-100 today are deemed as such per year, currently the case in Holland today (or for the last 20 years--and so there is a deliberate MURDER--by Dutch doctors-- of "inconvenient" infants...because society deems it "necessary."

Is that really so different from the deliberate MURDER of 6,000,000 people (mostly Jews) , in the case of the Nazis...because society also deemed it so? Because society deemed they were "unnecessary people?"

Those murdered were generally too old or too young to gain useful work out of them (via Nazi slave labor)...and so their lives were also deemed "not worth living."

AKA: "Inconvenient."

It's an all-to-slippery-slope we slide down, and one with which, we humans should not be so safely trusted.

We are not that far advanced as a species.

To make decisisions like this, IMO, we need the guidance of God.


CS