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Christopher Snow · 11-05-08, 05:24 AM

I think he is not...or at least suspect he is not...a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, within the meaning of Article 2 of the original, unaltered US constitution, yes.

Yes I do.

To your point: People HAVE been looking for quite a while now, yes. And they have been generally stymied by any, and all legal blocks which could be thrown up to thwart them.

The practice of law (even in the US) is usually ugly. Quite bloody, even.

I believe his US citizenship was renounced by his mother, Ann Dunham, and his Indonesion father, Lolo Sotero, when he was relocated to Indonesia at age 5.

At best, then, he would only have been able to RECLAIM his US citizenship (thereby becoming a naturalized citizen, and one ineligible to hold the office of POTUS) if he took steps to do so at age 18 (and evidence suggests he did NOT do so, which means he is still an Indonesian citizen today, and is, in fact, ineligible even to hold the office of US Senator from Illinois--I suspect he is a true "illegal alien") .

Please note that he has gone out of his way NOT to make pertinent information available on this subject. He has NOT produced any of his birth records (as John McCain so willingly did when queried on the same issue)--he has been ANYTHING but forthcoming on the matter...and think there is a reason.

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FWIW, there is at least some chance too (and some suspicion even on my own part that he IS, indeed, an American citizen after all...because he might WELL have been parented by a US father. But it willl require a paternity test (genetic test) to prove or disprove it, and so far, Obama has not been forthcoming here either (oh, what a surprise)).

Thia second theory suggests he is NOT the son of Kenyan National (UK citizen) Barack Obama Sr. at all (and, moreover, he probably knows it).

If you have ever seen a photo of "Barack Obama Sr." you will have a hard time (I think) conjuring up a picture of ANY "white mother" who could be paired with him to produce Obama Jr.s as a child.

[yes, I realize this sounds as if I've gone even further off the "very deepest end".. ..but bear with me. It should, at least, amuse you.

]

Barack's mother, Ann Dunham was seventeen when she (allegedly) had a sexual relationship with an American Civil Rights activist, one "Frank Marshall Davis."

Davis was a close friend of the Dunham family, and he lived very close by too in Seattle.

Moreover, Davis was not immune to this sort of temptation--he had yet another alleged relationship with girl of merely thirteen, I gather.

Anyway, the theory goes that Davis fathered Obama Jr by Ann Dunham...but because Davis was already married to a white woman, and because he was a well known civil-rights leader, the three families: Dunham, Davis, and Obama together, all agreed to register Obama as Baracks "father of record" on his birth certificate, rather than compromise Frank Davis himself.

Ok...it sounds completely wacko, I agree...

....until you actually SEE pictures of Barcack Obama Sr. and Frank Marshall Davis, set side-by-side. At that point, and in my view, this "wacko theory" becomes completely plausible.

And as to WHY would it have been covered up in the first place? Because Frank Marshall Davis, American Civil Rights activist was an AVOWED MARXIST/COMMUNIST!

Hey...it's not my theory, but just one I stumbled upon (at the "hillaryclintonforum.net")

So....take it as just another "conspiracy theory," if that's your tendency.

Write me off as just another wacko too, if you must

(but hopefully, you'll realize I've been trying to be somewhat fair and objective too...so maybe you won't.

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And yet, I cannot help but notice a STRONG resemblance between this "alledged father" Frank Marshall Davis and Obama Jr...while at the same time failing to find ANY POSSIBLE resemblance between "Obama Sr." and his supposed son (at least any that could occur between one single generation).

Moreover, I would be willing to be a fairly large sum of cash on a paternity test to this effect too.

I'm sorry, but I just cannot conjure up a picture/imagine ANY white woman who could have produced the son I know as Barack Obama Jr, from that father.

But I can easily see resemblances between Davis and Obama (the decending lines under the nose, the raised seam through the center of the upper lip, the overall shape of the head, the mutual furrowed brow, skin tone....yadda yadda yadda.....

See for yourselves:

Barack Obama Sr. photo: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://bp3.blogger.com/_Bmqw646nwsE/R7Gtx8dBKNI/AAAAAAAACVk/931E7p5QYqQ/s400/barack%252Bsr_.jpg&imgrefurl=http://wenjaz2.blogspot.com/2008/02/barack-obamas-mom-and-dad-and-michelle.html&h=400&w=264&sz=25&hl=en&start=9&um=1 &usg=__QkDJy1wAibmgyZceJYVLnclcOEc=&tbnid=ZgLmswSN nMoZ9M:&tbnh=124&tbnw=82&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBarack%2BObama%2BSr.%26um%3D1%26hl%3D en%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dcom.ubuntu:en-US

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Frank Marshall Davis photo:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...&ct=image&cd=1

CS

11-05-08, 05:24 AM	#25
Christopher Snow Engineer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 201 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I think he is not...or at least suspect he is not...a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, within the meaning of Article 2 of the original, unaltered US constitution, yes. Yes I do. To your point: People HAVE been looking for quite a while now, yes. And they have been generally stymied by any, and all legal blocks which could be thrown up to thwart them. The practice of law (even in the US) is usually ugly. Quite bloody, even. I believe his US citizenship was renounced by his mother, Ann Dunham, and his Indonesion father, Lolo Sotero, when he was relocated to Indonesia at age 5. At best, then, he would only have been able to RECLAIM his US citizenship (thereby becoming a naturalized citizen, and one ineligible to hold the office of POTUS) if he took steps to do so at age 18 (and evidence suggests he did NOT do so, which means he is still an Indonesian citizen today, and is, in fact, ineligible even to hold the office of US Senator from Illinois--I suspect he is a true "illegal alien") . Please note that he has gone out of his way NOT to make pertinent information available on this subject. He has NOT produced any of his birth records (as John McCain so willingly did when queried on the same issue)--he has been ANYTHING but forthcoming on the matter...and think there is a reason. ------------- FWIW, there is at least some chance too (and some suspicion even on my own part that he IS, indeed, an American citizen after all...because he might WELL have been parented by a US father. But it willl require a paternity test (genetic test) to prove or disprove it, and so far, Obama has not been forthcoming here either (oh, what a surprise)). Thia second theory suggests he is NOT the son of Kenyan National (UK citizen) Barack Obama Sr. at all (and, moreover, he probably knows it). If you have ever seen a photo of "Barack Obama Sr." you will have a hard time (I think) conjuring up a picture of ANY "white mother" who could be paired with him to produce Obama Jr.s as a child. [yes, I realize this sounds as if I've gone even further off the "very deepest end".. ..but bear with me. It should, at least, amuse you. ] Barack's mother, Ann Dunham was seventeen when she (allegedly) had a sexual relationship with an American Civil Rights activist, one "Frank Marshall Davis." Davis was a close friend of the Dunham family, and he lived very close by too in Seattle. Moreover, Davis was not immune to this sort of temptation--he had yet another alleged relationship with girl of merely thirteen, I gather. Anyway, the theory goes that Davis fathered Obama Jr by Ann Dunham...but because Davis was already married to a white woman, and because he was a well known civil-rights leader, the three families: Dunham, Davis, and Obama together, all agreed to register Obama as Baracks "father of record" on his birth certificate, rather than compromise Frank Davis himself. Ok...it sounds completely wacko, I agree... ....until you actually SEE pictures of Barcack Obama Sr. and Frank Marshall Davis, set side-by-side. At that point, and in my view, this "wacko theory" becomes completely plausible. And as to WHY would it have been covered up in the first place? Because Frank Marshall Davis, American Civil Rights activist was an AVOWED MARXIST/COMMUNIST! Hey...it's not my theory, but just one I stumbled upon (at the "hillaryclintonforum.net") So....take it as just another "conspiracy theory," if that's your tendency. Write me off as just another wacko too, if you must (but hopefully, you'll realize I've been trying to be somewhat fair and objective too...so maybe you won't. ---------- And yet, I cannot help but notice a STRONG resemblance between this "alledged father" Frank Marshall Davis and Obama Jr...while at the same time failing to find ANY POSSIBLE resemblance between "Obama Sr." and his supposed son (at least any that could occur between one single generation). Moreover, I would be willing to be a fairly large sum of cash on a paternity test to this effect too. I'm sorry, but I just cannot conjure up a picture/imagine ANY white woman who could have produced the son I know as Barack Obama Jr, from that father. But I can easily see resemblances between Davis and Obama (the decending lines under the nose, the raised seam through the center of the upper lip, the overall shape of the head, the mutual furrowed brow, skin tone....yadda yadda yadda..... See for yourselves: Barack Obama Sr. photo: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://bp3.blogger.com/_Bmqw646nwsE/R7Gtx8dBKNI/AAAAAAAACVk/931E7p5QYqQ/s400/barack%252Bsr_.jpg&imgrefurl=http://wenjaz2.blogspot.com/2008/02/barack-obamas-mom-and-dad-and-michelle.html&h=400&w=264&sz=25&hl=en&start=9&um=1 &usg=__QkDJy1wAibmgyZceJYVLnclcOEc=&tbnid=ZgLmswSN nMoZ9M:&tbnh=124&tbnw=82&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBarack%2BObama%2BSr.%26um%3D1%26hl%3D en%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dcom.ubuntu:en-USfficial%26sa%3DX Frank Marshall Davis photo: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...&ct=image&cd=1 CS Last edited by Christopher Snow; 11-05-08 at 05:37 AM.