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Originally Posted by caspofungin
watching the campaigns over the last few months, and reading these forums, it's become pretty obvious that most americans hate socialism. it's used as a club against anyone (not just obama) who dares talk about fiscal reform, new health care policies, etc.
if you equate socialism and communism, that would be incorrect, but i would understand it. but if socialism means increasing taxes to pay for health care, schools, etc, without imposing on civil liberties, why the blind hatred?
or am i missing something?
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Socialism is a dead end, just like communism, only more gradual. When you strip all these ideas down, at the core you have to ask,
will this work long term with human beings as they are now? Self-interest and socialism don't mesh, and before anyone bashes self-interest, be aware the hypocrite filter is working in this thread
Socialism forces people who are responsible to cover costs for people who....well, can't or won't, it's hard to distinguish between them. Forces, as in no choice, you have to do it. And that penalizes the main driver of the economy: initiative.
And increasing my taxes to pay for someone else's health care does impose on my civil liberties. I agree that there needs to be something done about health care, but I feel everyone should pay for their own; right now a lot of people use the emergency room as their clinic to avoid paying. I think everyone should pay a "health care tax" if they are
not currently paying for health insurance. Kind of like when you take a loan to buy a car or house, the bank tells you to get insurance. If you don't, they get insurance for you and put it in the loan. In the end, you pay for your own insurance. I am willing to pay for my insurance and health care, and my family's; I am not willing to pay for some other guy's health care, especially when he has put his own health care priorities below his car, his big screen TV, his Harley-Davidson, fishing trips, $180 Nikes, $4 Starbucks coffee, his gaming computer and high speed internet connection (which he uses to get on forums and complain about his lack of health care), etc.
The funny thing about socialists (another word for beginner communist), history has shown since Lennin that as the people begin to want out of socialism, the leaders and enthusiasts will do anything to keep them in. No civil liberties there.
So, if you want socialism, fine, go to Sweden or France, no problem and more power to the socialists. I wish you luck.
Prove us wrong. But I strongly oppose converting America to socialism. And as a free man, I have the right to oppose socialism. And since I'm not a college kid or dreamy radicalist, I feel I have the obligation to oppose socialism, too.