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Originally Posted by Skybird
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Originally Posted by orwell
Technology and the free market assure you that there will never let the world, or at least the west, go completely to hell.
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Ah, I almost waited for it - two of the three magical things, technology and free market, to delay, to prevent, to block, to doubt any critical analysis, any self-questioning, any self-changing - always and forever. Now we just need somebody referring to the miraculous healing power of "unlimited growth", and the trio infernale is complete again.
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How does believing that technology will change to harvest what was previously wasted, and that business will capitalize on this new cheaper resources that finding further buried ones, mean that there is no questioning? There is no room for critical analysis? What is there to analyze here? That if consumption patterns do not change in the next 20 years, that we'll run out of resources? Gee, you really think the same pattens are going to remain around that long? Anyone who believes that is as blind as anyone who believes in unlimited growth.
Let us take the 'water' resource for example? How much of this is wasted? What areas are truly in drought, and how many are just poorly utilizing existing resources? How much more could be harvested? Some areas are truly in trouble, but many? Efficiency improvements are what is needed. And what improves that? Well certainly not a paper about impending doom on a linear course. Gee, wouldn't technology to recycle all that wasted water, or better distribution, help growers everywhere? And if there was money to be made in providing these new efficient services, uh... well, I should think that a healthy market with plenty of credit would jump in to produce those technologies. Probably one of the best things you could do to help places that will suffer from these initial crises is to get business going in a profitable manner helping the farmer use water there. Gee, and what do you know, people are already doing this.
You have quoted, bolded, and underlined it yourself.
If our demands on the planet continue at the same rate, by the mid-2030s we will need the equivalent of two planets to maintain our lifestyles. What makes you think that it will continue at the same pace? Will there be some pain as adaption to new methods come along? Yes. There are always losers when something is changed. But until you can provide any sort of evidence beyond a linear graph that says impending doom if you drive off this chart, I don't see why the beginnings of change already in motion would not correct as needed. As I read through the report, I also notice a lot about waste. Yes, there is a lot of waste. But where it is locally profitable, there have been businesses set up to harvest what was dumped for re-usable material, whether it's compost or metals. Re-use, what an idea. A profitable idea when these expenses buiild up from demand.
To CCIP: Whether technology and the future is leading us down the right path in the case of, say, a unstable nuclear state, yeah, sure that's a problem. But that's not a ecological problem. Which is what I was addressing here.