[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

If you ever went to college, you would know that. Its in every history class. Google it!

-S

And this shows... what? World War I and World War II were necessary wars. The Zimmermann Telegram in World War I showed that the Germans were becoming increasingly hostile to the United States due to their support of Britain (asking Mexico to attack is a pretty unfriendly thing to do). World War II was necessary because if Hitler had won, we'd all be speaking German and the world would be a much more loathsome place.

Korea... might have been necessary to keep the peace in Asia. Who knows. Either way, it has been officially termed a "police action", not a war.

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

World War I--Woodrow Wilson, Democrat
World War II--Franklin Roosevelt, Democrat
Korea--Harry Truman,Democrat
Vietnam--John Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson,Democrat/Democrat
Somalian Debacle--William Clinton,Democrat
Kosovo--Bill Clinton, Democrat

You can do the math on the casualties, although casualties is not the subject

Granada--Ronald Reagan, Republican
The Noriega Caper--Ronald Reagan, Republican
Gulf War I--George Bush the Senior, Republican sort of
Gulf War II--George W Bush, Republican in name only

We lost more men in one day at Tarawa than all the Republican wars combined.

You forgot to mention that Truman ended the Second World War.

Also, you didn't include the Civil War, the Indian Wars, the Spanish-American War, or the Philippine-American War for a list of wars in which there was a Republican president.

Civil War - Abraham Lincoln
Indian Wars (like the Black Hills campaign; several others along the time frame) - Rutherford Hayes and Ulysses Grant
Spanish-American War - William McKinley
Philippine-American War - William McKinley

The Civil War... might have been prevented by preceding events in the 1840s and 1850s. The Indian Wars were unnecessary. The Spanish-American War marked when the country decided that it had to be the "World's Policeman", and the Philippine-American War was a combination of that idea and the growing favoritism of imperialism and Anglo-Saxonism.

That's all I've got to say to that.

Although, your Tarawa quote is just a bit wrong for two reasons:

1) The Spanish-American War killed around 56,000 soldiers, most of which died from disease (53,000 more men than the number that died at Tarawa). The Civil War killed MILLIONS of people. The Indian Wars killed around 20,000. The Philippine-American War killed 4,200 people.

2) You said that casualties were not part of this topic, so your own argument is meaningless on that account.

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

In fairness, the Democratic party before Lyndon Johnson would all be Republicans today.

Pff, Franklin Roosevelt was a Liberal Democrat, and he remained that way until his death; Harry Truman remained loyal to the Democratic Party until his death. Woodrow Wilson also stuck with the Democrats until the end of his life. John Kennedy was a Democrat until his assassination. Now, say what you want, but nobody can really be sure who they'd side with in today's world. I just told you how they were as people in their era.

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

But as far as the OP is concerned, there will be no President McCain. He failed in communicating his ideas in a compelling way. It isn't enough to believe the right things. If you can't lead or can't communicate the right ideas in a way that compels people to adopt them, other ideas will win. McCain had several softballs float right over the plate during the last debate, a couple of them tossed by Obama and he didn't even swing at them. I'm voting for him but he deserves to lose. Too bad Obama doesn't deserve to win.

I'd take Obama over McCain, but as far as the whole thing is concerned, it's just about deciding which candidate is filled with less sh** than the other.