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Originally Posted by baggygreen
but really, is 5/6000 dead americans a lot, over almost 6 years of warfare??
i know i'll get jumped on by a lot of peolpe for saying so, but lets be honest - 5/6000 people were killed in an hour on the western front. More than once.
different times, yes, but its still a war. and regardless of whether you think its justified or not, it IS a war. people will die. The media started getting involved in vietnam and its only gotten worse since.
Frankly, I suspect things will have gone much quicker if there had been no media presence in affers and in the sandpit, but its speculation, which is always fun, no matter where you sit on an issue!
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Well you're comparing the Iraq war to WW 1 or 2 then yes, it's not that type of a deal. But if you compare it to, say, the British occupation of India, a huge land with a hostile populace, then at least I can't say they've been too succesful.
Also, the American's aren't even calling it a war, it's "occupation", "insurgency", etc. So by admitting that it is a war would be the first step.
Sea Demon,
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Iraq is looking like it will be a fully functioning government from here on.
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Oh yea, repeat that mantra 100 times before going to sleep, it might help. No but seriously, you believe that? Let me ask you this question, they always ask these questions from the people in favour of Bush, what would have to happen in order for you think that the Iraqi government would have failed? Say, if they were to acquire WMD's and use them against a minority or some stuff like that, would that qualify as a failure? It's just that I'm intrigued by these pro-war/Bush people as to what their rationale for the war actually is. So right now it's "a fully functioning government" in Iraq, ok then. At one time Saddam was one and he didn't have any WMD's so it seems that the US is kinda going in circles here while people are dying by the million. But maybe that's the point, eh?
Oh no, I think the whole Afghanistan - situation has been a terrible tragedy and the 'media blackout' concerning bad news about civilian casualties etc. from that theather of war only makes me more worried that sheet is hitting the fan there in a major way. The fact that the UN has been called as the mess-cleaners and are now taking casualties is another example of a failure by the US-led coalition.