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Peto · 08-19-08, 02:51 PM

Good points being made in this thread. I Completely agree with the comments about Realism vs PLayability. Squad Leader was a great Avalon Hill board game but through it's evolution to Advanced Squad Leader, it lost much of it's luster by becoming so complex in its attempt to re-enact reality. It became a game of two guys arguing about a rule regarding 23.4a... The whole "feel" became lost in the details.

Another important aspect that is easy to lose is our gift of "Hind-Sight". As we sit in front of our computers, we know that 20% of US submariners that went on war patrols were lost. In a game that tends to equate more to, "I have an 80% chance of making it so I'll risk it". That's quite different than how the crew felt, I'm sure...

While I lean toward the goal of realism, the best we can hope to attain IMO, is a solid balance between realism and game. Making the equipment of the time as realistic as possible is quite a task--even finding reliable information for creating an historical mod can be daunting. I have great respect for the lengths the RFB Team goes to be able to make that a "reality" for SH4. Doing some testing for RFB has been very enjoyable--they're quite a Team--and I think that the next release of RFB will Rock!

Ducimus also deserves Kudos for TM. Much of his work has become the foundation for what other modders have accomplished. His openess about "how he did X" has helped anyone who mods or uses a mod. But I must also confess that the ferocity of his escorts make me wonder if he isn't just a little evil at heart :hmm:.

I'd like to do more modding myself but have learned that working on computers during the day + modding at night = Peto Burned Out and less effective at both. So I look to what others have done and are doing in the hope that the balance between "realism and game" equate to a product that suits my tastes. And I am Extremely Thankful for their efforts and Hard Work. And mainly--since I'm too lazy to create my perfect mod, I will never complain about what other modders have created for me to enjoy. Frankly--I don't have the right to do that.

Cheers!

Peto

08-19-08, 02:51 PM	#12
Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Good points being made in this thread. I Completely agree with the comments about Realism vs PLayability. Squad Leader was a great Avalon Hill board game but through it's evolution to Advanced Squad Leader, it lost much of it's luster by becoming so complex in its attempt to re-enact reality. It became a game of two guys arguing about a rule regarding 23.4a... The whole "feel" became lost in the details. Another important aspect that is easy to lose is our gift of "Hind-Sight". As we sit in front of our computers, we know that 20% of US submariners that went on war patrols were lost. In a game that tends to equate more to, "I have an 80% chance of making it so I'll risk it". That's quite different than how the crew felt, I'm sure... While I lean toward the goal of realism, the best we can hope to attain IMO, is a solid balance between realism and game. Making the equipment of the time as realistic as possible is quite a task--even finding reliable information for creating an historical mod can be daunting. I have great respect for the lengths the RFB Team goes to be able to make that a "reality" for SH4. Doing some testing for RFB has been very enjoyable--they're quite a Team--and I think that the next release of RFB will Rock! Ducimus also deserves Kudos for TM. Much of his work has become the foundation for what other modders have accomplished. His openess about "how he did X" has helped anyone who mods or uses a mod. But I must also confess that the ferocity of his escorts make me wonder if he isn't just a little evil at heart :hmm:. I'd like to do more modding myself but have learned that working on computers during the day + modding at night = Peto Burned Out and less effective at both. So I look to what others have done and are doing in the hope that the balance between "realism and game" equate to a product that suits my tastes. And I am Extremely Thankful for their efforts and Hard Work. And mainly--since I'm too lazy to create my perfect mod, I will never complain about what other modders have created for me to enjoy. Frankly--I don't have the right to do that. Cheers! Peto __________________ If your target has a 30 degree AOB, the range from his base course line equals the current range divided by 2.