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Old 08-10-08, 04:39 PM   #213
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what hartc said is probably gonna happen. Bye Bye independent Georgia, hello pussy whipped EU, NATO and USA. And gawd forbid Germany gets involved and lose all its cozy backhanded deals with Russia. Oh no. that would be really bad outcome for the germans.

you should see what the russians themselves writing about this war in commentary. It's along the lines of 'wtf are we in war for these fackin osetia people?! They come here to russia, trade, dont pay taxes, everywhere you go they are, think they are better than as and now we have to sand military to protect them? fack it, let them fight. this is crap!'. I read messages like that again and again and again... this is for the domesic market argument. I really don't think the russian people want ANOTHER war in caucases. they can only manage chechnya because they put an old enemy in charge and paid him enough to be loyal. Georgia probably hates the russians so much that they will easily be as tough to handle (there is a lot of them too).

anyway, west should protect Georgia now and stop Russia. Sadly - there is no strong leader like Kennedy or Reigan on the West who can stand up for any value West advocates. Sarkozy is nothing, Merkel is between a rock and a hard place, Brown is as useless as Blair and Bush is irrelavant while Berlusconi is a best bud of Putin. Poland is big but noone cares to listen, and has somewhat controvercial leader, and Baltics are ignored in anything they say, while Sweden and Finland don't carry much weight in EU. You are right, it's all about Germany and if Germany decides it's too much - it can really change things, but Germany is in no position what so ever to tell anything to Russia (since Russia attacked Germany in WW2 and has such difficult past noone will let it do anything militarily).

So once again, bye bye Georgia.

Ukraine can escalate this, but if they do, we in Baltics will have to escalate this in return as well and this will put NATO and EU right in there and really test it. And if EU abandons Baltics - well, you can say that the whole pillar of European security is crumbled and will never be credible again. Russia would have won.
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