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Old 07-31-08, 09:16 PM   #6
UnderseaLcpl
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I am inclined to believe that the economic situation is more likely for their migration rather than the laws.

Personally I am sad to see them go. I like Mexicans and they provide economic benefit to the country. Too bad liberal welfare policies essentially cancel out that benefit. I wish Mexicans, or anyone, for that matter, could come here to enjoy higher wages and hope for their future, I just don't support giving them one cent of taxpayer money until they go through the proper porcess of becoming citizens. (And that doesn't mean coming here and having a baby)

On the subject of California, well what can I say? A bastion of liberalism. Also has gone bankrupt and is horrendously expensive to live in. Despite it's glut of rich people who care so much about the poor, there are still people in poverty, and those rich people are still, curiously, fabulously wealthy.
If there has ever been a more clear cut example, so clearly juxtapositioned with more conservative areas (say, Texas), that is an infallible argument against leftist policy, this state is it.
California is probably the best argument ever against liberalism, and yet liberals simply shrug it off. It's like talking to a brick. A brick that wants you to pay for everything.
Of course, I am talking about economic liberalism here. As far as their values are concerned I could care less. Want gay marriage? Fine. Allow gays to ordain themselves as living gods for all I care, as long as they don't get tax breaks and aren't permitted guardianship of children (I'm still not totally sure about that one, links to studies about the effects of having gay parents on children or related information would be appreciated) I could not care less. Social conservative? Feel free to approach them and try to convert them. I can tell you right now that statistically speaking, it won't work, but as long as you leave them alone when they invariably ask you to, I have no problems with it. So they go to hell , what should a Christian care if they tried, right? An oft-cited Bible reference is the story of Sodom and Gommorah (sp?) Lot was a righteous person, he made no effort that I can recall to convert the populace ( may be wrong, but even if he did doesn't change a thing) God destroyed the cities with fire and brimstone but Lot and everyone in his family but his wife were saved. So by the same token that I would ask liberals not to vote for feel-good economic policies, I would also ask social conservatives not to vote for feel-good moral policies.


Most perturbatory, I seem to have totally derailed the thread, but I maintain that the spirit of it remains the same given the diviseivness of liberals and conservatives over immigration issues and the complete inability of Libertarians like myself to understand what is causing all the fuss. I don't think subman will take exception though, he thrives in discord like I do (right, ol' buddy ol'pal?)
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