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Originally Posted by Kaleu_Mihoo
Yes, I agree about Bismarck, but please see the things realistic, when her "legend" was born, Bismarck was nothing else as a smoking, devastated can, so like Hitman said, it makes no difference how she sunk and how she was built. She was defeated and that's fact.
I took my examples form the different “era”, because the thread is about German vs. US subs, and I honestly see only minor differences between the earlier designs. The first better German design was in my eyes the XXI, but there you must also consider factors I mentioned before.
Greets
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I never disputed she was beaten and sunk. Hard to argue otherways, anways.
Neither did I ever promote or denounce Bismarck in anyway.
I merely pointed out why the british in general have a problem with the argument of self scuttling, no matter if it is a fact or not and that Bismarck and King Tiger/Type XXI/Volksjäger are not comparable in production quality.
The rest you imply I said is purely in your head.
That said, I am going to say something now. And that is that the Type VII and even the Type IX maybe followed a rather old construction philosophy taken from WW1, but that this did not make the boats any less capable in their intended roles or gave them bad production quality. Old does not nessecarily mean worse, as quite a few folks make it out to be completly unrelated to the boats actual performances compared to other deisgns of their time. Thats more of a "club to death" argument then anything substantial, nevertheless brought up again and again when it comes to discussions like this. As if it's a last straw ppl have to hold upon to not "lose" the argument.