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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
Yeah, building cities in a foreign country and protecting these cities with the army could eventually maybe be considered questionnable, perhaps, but you would have to eventually question it very nicely 
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And I love it if the same questio0nable "argument" gets presented time and again. Israel'S existence is a fact since TWO GENERATIONS, and it could only be reversed at the price of committing an equal if not greater injustice again. Twop generations have been born and in parts killed in and for Israel now. are you willing to expel all them together, even if it has not been their fault that Israel was founded the way it was? Blame the British and the americans after WWII for the folly. In some years, no muslim alive has any claim to make for Palestine anymore, for he was not alive when Israel was founded, and so he lost nothing. In a few years, only Israelis not being alive at the time the state was founded will live in Israel anymore - and so they are not responisble for what has happened at the time before their birth. nobody alive then will have any claim to make for the place, it belongs to the people being alive in the present, and not to the dead. The dead you owe no cliams about this, none at all. That is empty pathos only.
Best thing would be if both Jews and Palestinians would live peacefully side by side, but the world is not like this. there are always those a$$holes yelling about pride and history and generation'S guilt and religious duty to overcome the other. As long as you allow these sock minds to exist and interfere, there will be no such thing like the idea of "peace" and "freedom".
I am realist. There is nothing that specially links me with the fate of Israel, nor is there anything that separates me from it. I am not Jewish. I have neither sympathy nor antipathy for it. I support it in it's claim to have the right to exist because of just the reasons above. If we would, live two or three years after the founding of Israel, I would see it different. But it is sixty years, a man's lifetime. It is there. It is real. It survived. I am not happy with the strategic problems that exposed location created. But nevertheless these are the facts of live. Live with them. Maybe in the end the experiment will fail, due to the vulnerable strategic context. But nevertheless I cannot see how we could have another moral chance than to accept Israel'S roght to exist and defend itself, now, sixty years after it was born.
If it was clever to form the state the way it was done, is of no real importance anymore today. Nor is the story of one people arriving and taking land from another tribe any new in world history. The facts of the present remain unaffected from all this.
P.S. The Golan were taken as a prize of war by Israel, during a conflict it had not started, and was attacked by surprise. Syria was one of the agressors, and lost. It payed a price for that aggression: the Golan. that they demand it back is like if Germany today would demand back the former eastern Prussian territories that today belong to Poland. I wonder how people would react if Germany would start to make such demands. We all know the reaction: Germans would get accused to become Nazis again. It would be an appropriate gesture for syria to leave the golan where it is: with Israel. Nobody asked Syria to attack israel, they took a gmable, and lost. They payed the price. And of story. - Well, not in that crazy part of the world. Imagine european nartions and people starting to claim their historic lands again! Would lead to WWIII, directly.