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This second UFO thread gets my same treatement like the first one here:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=138883
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Originally Posted by Skybird
I once held strong interest in the UFO phenomenon, but always stayed away from easy, linear approaches like thinking of it as little green (grey) men flying technical vehicles with ultra-super-transwarp-speed from planet A to planet B - ridiculous. Especially the parrallels between the psychological consequences and the schematic proceedings of these events and near-death-experiences captured my strong interest (thanatology was a special field of mine), as well as the obvious parrallels to fairy-tales and mythologic stories from cultures around the globe and from many different ages. but at some point I realised that there are too many questions invovled that cannot be ultimately answered as long as no substantially new data and information can be obtained, so I put it all on ice, made a mental note saying "I don't know - more data needed to compute", and left it to that.
However, of the many books I once read about it, especially about the psychological impact and the mythologic components, today I only would recommend the trilogy by Jaques Vallee as worth to be considered. There are plenty of books available, but at least nine of ten seem to be spoiled more or less seriously, may it be due to the author trying hard to believe in UFOs and turn every cup of coffee into an extension of a flying saucer, or may it be due to the author being a freak needing to prove that UFOs do not exist and thus even the most solid data availabe - not much really solid data available, agreed - gets twisted and distorted, in violation of nature's laws and verified data from reality. UFO literature for the most is a total mess. both camps think and argue highly anti-intellectually.
Consider these in the main:
http://www.amazon.com/DIMENSIONS-Cas...5342050&sr=8-1
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Here we have the idea that our everyday conception of space and time is merely an illusion. The universe is a much stranger and more complicated place than we assume. Space and time are illusionary constructs for a limited consciousness. The truth appears to be closer to a holographic universe. As Vallee states it, the synchronicity and coincidence that abound in our lives suggest that the world may be organised like a randomized data base (the multiverse) rather than a sequential library (the four dimensional world of convensional physics.) Occationally human beings see beyond the illusory curtain of space-time, but it seems to take a major "shake-up" of the individual's mind and habitual way of seeing things. Sometimes this "shake up" seems to come from without- from the "visitors." But this is not an "invasion", it is instead a spiritual system that acts on humans and uses humans.
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http://www.amazon.com/REVELATIONS-Al...d_bxgy_b_img_b
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Originally Posted by two readers
he shows how the unwary have frequently been made pawns in the ongoing controversy of UFOs and the holy grail of proof that so many are seeking or denying. As many have come to learn, the UFO controversy is a story that is true one day and false the next. The manipulations that go on inside the controversy are at once blatant and subtle; no "smoking gun" emerges, yet the magic show goes on. Why are so many lies used in refuting and denying this topic?
Written with penetrating insight, and at times wry humor. The insitence of this author that the reader think for himself may irritate some people while delighting others. Interesting and thought-provoking light is shed on the disinformation activities of those who continue to claim that UFOs officially do not exist.
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The terrific thing about Dr. Vallee's books, is that he doesn't claim to know "the answer". He also encourages you to use your mind and think about all the claims and truths spouted by most ufologists.
While I might not agree with all of his conclusions, I appreciate the way that he presents his voluminous data and encourages you to make up your own mind. I encourage you to read this book if you're interested in the ufo phenomenon, and have read books by other authors. Dr. Vallee's unique way of studying this fascinating phenomenon is refreshing and very needed in the current climate of "final truths" about ufos.
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http://www.amazon.com/CONFRONTATIONS-Scientists-Search-Alien-Contact/dp/1933665297/ref=pd_cp_b_2_img?pf_rd_p=317711001&pf_rd_s=center -41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1933665300&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKI K X0DER&pf_rd_r=0APCEE1V3HJ5JKASYDVG
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Now retired from the UFO scene, Jacques Vallee was one of the most sober, perceptive, and scientifically astute observers of the phenomenon. "Confrontations" is the second volume of his great trilogy ("Dimensions" and "Revelations" are the other two) which summed up his 40-odd years of research.
As the title suggests, this book focuses on the dangers - physical, psychological, and even spiritual - of contact (intentional or otherwise) between human beings and the energy forms known as UFOs. I say "energy forms" because Vallee discounts the idea that UFOs are spaceships from other planets or other galaxies. Instead, he sees them as "multidimenional entities" - a form of paranormal energy, indeed a non-human intelligence - that has in varying forms interacted with human beings throughout recorded history.
Drawing on his personal files, including numerous black-and-white photos, Vallee describes the debilitating effects that often result from too-close contact - sought or unsought - with the UFO phenomenon. From California to Brazil, we follow Vallee as he interviews the victims of contact and lets them tell their stories.
And they are indeed victims. Vallee's subjects have met neither the benign "space brothers" of the 1950s contactees nor - for the most part - the reptilian, bug-eyed abductors of the 1990s. But they have interacted with powerful, disorienting energies, energies capable of producing harmful mental and physical effects, up to and including death. They have been touched by the paranormal, and most are worse of because of it.
Often reading like a detective story, this book puts you on the ground with a brave and humane chronicler of the unknown. It is a moving book, one of the best ever in its field. If you are new to the topic of UFOs, you could not do better than read Vallee's great trilogy, beginning with "Dimensions," then "Confrontations," then "Revelations." In doing so, you will have gotten to the heart of the phenomenon and spared yourself a lot of nonsense.
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Mr. Vallee offers no conclusive proof or definitive answers, just data and information for the reader to peruse and decide for themselves. This book is a wake-up call to ufologists to strengthen their research methods, and improve the current state of ufology. Perhaps, they should even re-think the questions being asked.
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If there is one slogan amongst UFOlogists that I really hate, then it is the poster in Fox mulder's office, showing a flying saucer and below that a text saying I WANT TO BELIEVE. - Idiots! Don't believe, but check it,. and where you run against a wall, realise that there is somethign you do not know, and remain sceptic. Believing something just because it cannot be explained - is neither needed, nor helpful.
Be sceptical on both camps, guys: the ufo-believers as well as the missionaries trying to "prove" that UFOs do not exist. I for myself see it this way: there can be no doubt that a phenomenon, a very complex pohenomeneon does exist indeed, and just in modern times it has been named UFOs. the phenomenon itself has been with us since ages. But what it really is, we have no knowledge about, just more or less reasonable theories. Only star Trek-like ideas of aliens visiting planet earth in space ships - this must be the most childish and ifantile idea human mind can come up with in this context. Many people wish to find out the real, the one and only, the true nature of the universe, and existence inside this cosmos, but it is possible that in form of what we call the UFO-phenomenon we are already being touched by this very nature and essence of what the universe is - and just are unable to realise that.
alien astronauts in spacehsips?  Come on guys, let's stop being childish.
"The truth, as always, will be far stranger."
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