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1480 · 07-03-08, 04:19 PM

Handgun yes, shotgun with buckshot - no. Any hunting rifle - no. Doesn't matter, kevlar, unless full combat armor as used in Iraq, will not do 'anything' against any type of weapon that isn't a handgun. So that is not an argument. Combat armor stops an AK round just fine, but shatters on impact so you get to stop one or two rds in total. Doubt it will stop a hunting rd however. Dragonskin may be the only armor that can save you from pretty much all rds from rifles, assuming they are not large caliber.

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Mr. Steed, I respectfully disagree with your shotgun buckshot argument. A type II-A, II and III-A (soft body armor) will stop the pellets, from a shotgun shell. Mind you it will not tickle.... The rigid and semi rigid level or type III and IV, that you refer to is not practical for everyday law enforcement duties.

I'm a bit confused, the 7.62x39mm round that is used in an AK, isn't it for all intents and purposes (size and speed) a .308 winchester round?

jpm1: In regards to what you posit. Yes, the guns used in Columbine, VT, and closer to home, my former school, NIU, the semi automatics used, facilitated the large casulties caused in each of those tragedies. But, there is an overlooked common theme to each of these mass murders that is unlike what happened in Texas: the mass grouping of targets. Sorry if that sounds cold and crass but it's the truth. "Spray and pray" is our stock answer when a scenario is thrown out at roll call but it applies to each of these events. The survivors of these horrible incidents just happened to be behind the unlucky ones. If a rifle round was used, then you better hope you are behind 3 people. Trying to say one is better then the other is comparing which poison works quicker. They all kill.

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1480 Lead Slinger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chitcago, Illinoise Posts: 1,442 Downloads: 74 Uploads: 0	Handgun yes, shotgun with buckshot - no. Any hunting rifle - no. Doesn't matter, kevlar, unless full combat armor as used in Iraq, will not do 'anything' against any type of weapon that isn't a handgun. So that is not an argument. Combat armor stops an AK round just fine, but shatters on impact so you get to stop one or two rds in total. Doubt it will stop a hunting rd however. Dragonskin may be the only armor that can save you from pretty much all rds from rifles, assuming they are not large caliber. -S[/quote] Mr. Steed, I respectfully disagree with your shotgun buckshot argument. A type II-A, II and III-A (soft body armor) will stop the pellets, from a shotgun shell. Mind you it will not tickle.... The rigid and semi rigid level or type III and IV, that you refer to is not practical for everyday law enforcement duties. I'm a bit confused, the 7.62x39mm round that is used in an AK, isn't it for all intents and purposes (size and speed) a .308 winchester round? jpm1: In regards to what you posit. Yes, the guns used in Columbine, VT, and closer to home, my former school, NIU, the semi automatics used, facilitated the large casulties caused in each of those tragedies. But, there is an overlooked common theme to each of these mass murders that is unlike what happened in Texas: the mass grouping of targets. Sorry if that sounds cold and crass but it's the truth. "Spray and pray" is our stock answer when a scenario is thrown out at roll call but it applies to each of these events. The survivors of these horrible incidents just happened to be behind the unlucky ones. If a rifle round was used, then you better hope you are behind 3 people. Trying to say one is better then the other is comparing which poison works quicker. They all kill. __________________ Last edited by 1480; 07-03-08 at 04:39 PM.