@Skybird
that post you quoted was quite good, but your following comments were less so
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but the leaders dreaming and self-celebrating uncoupled from reality and claiming the right for themselves not top represent their voters anymore, but to enforce their own private will on voters and non-voters alike, no matter what the latter two think.
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You all want your own democratically elected governments to represent you, don't you? This is why you should let them do it, and negotiate the treaty on your behalf
You don't need referenda. They are too easily captured by demagogues.
But what i do agree is that the EU commission is guilty of assuming that just because they can see how obviously sensible it is, it is equally obvious to everyone else.
It was deeply, deeply stupid of them to put themselves in a position where so much hung on a handful of Irish politicians saying to their electorate "I don't know what it says exactly, and i couldn't explain it to you clearly even if i did, but please vote for it anyway"