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Whenever and where ever the constitution was offered the people to hear their vote, it failed to impress. Three times it was offered to the public, and three times it was rejected. That should tell Brussel something, but obviously it doesn't. The mistake isalways with the others, it cannot be with Brussel.

It is simply arrogant to tell the Irish, like before the Dutch and the French, they were too stupid to understand the content of the treaty, or that they were in reality voting about something different, and not about the treaty at all. that is deflecting tactic not to allow the shadow of a doubt being cast on the treaty. That is the arrogance of Eurocrats who refuse for principle reasons to ever check their own position and allow doubts if really everything they are representing is so wonderful, and perfect. The mistake is always wioth the others, never with the EU.

Why should the Irish vote in favour of the treaty - when obviously nobody was capable to point out for them why it is such a wonderful and great thing? They would be stupid when having done so! If the thing really is so great and fantastic, it should have been almost self-recommending to vote in favour of it. So...?

How was it three years ago? The two nation's people that got asked back then, both did not want it. - What did Brussel do? It shut down the castle, raised the bridge, behind closed doors and thick walls they made some cosmetical changes while keeping all the basic content from the former draft unaltered, and prevented the people to have a word on it again. Safe is safe this time! Sending the result of this effort to parlaments for ratification meant to let it getting ratified by exactly those governments and parliaments who behind closed doors formed the treaty to be what they wanted it to be while ignoring the people's voice. And this kind of ratification should mean anything...? It means as much as an election result for the one-party of 98% in the former states of the Warsaw Pact. They too called it democracy, and a convincing result": In other words, it only illustrates to what massive degree democracy already has been manipulated, abused, and deconstructed. It is a propaganda stunt, nothing else.

and last but not least, people have a problem not only with the content of the treaty, and even more the appendices (here is where my quarrels lie), but with the rotten, betraying way it was created, and is tried to be imposed on them. It is not only doubt in what has been created, it is only antipathy for the "how". And this "How" tells something about the ways of the EU, and the selfunderstanding of it. And one can't see a basic democratic understanding in that, but it's straightout corruption.