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Skybird · 06-13-08, 06:49 AM

Major German and British media have started to report that the Irish have said No.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7452171.stm

Not even half of voters showed up at the polling stations, which is seen as an explanation.

Assuming that the trend does not revers over the day, the Lisbon treaty by rules lined out by the EU itself is thereby rejected.

It now depends on wether EU-tricksters and cheaters again think their time has come to try to buy the Irish vote in the third run to force through what people do not want (and after that maybe a foruth and a fifth attempt if needed), or if the message finally is being heared in Brussel that the content of the EU constitution, renamed as the Lisbon treaty, is not of the content and quality that it will ever find much love in Europe. Special deals for several countries, not to mention the excentricity of Poland (that even was rewarded), certainly did not help to make the Lisbon comnstitution any more popular and representative for what the EU claims it should be, in an idealistical meaning - the creation of the treaty had anything to do but with idealism.

Threats by some politicians to kick out the Irish, or go without them, are unacceptable. One cannot set up rules, and if the outcome does not satisfy, kick out these rules one had set up oneself, or kick out the player following them but not producing the commanded result. One has cheated europe already three years ago. now trying betrayal of the europeans again?

Many Eurocrats see drama and heaven falling, but metaphorically speaking I see it as a chance to shut off the locked engine, restart in midair, and get the generator finally working before the plane crashes hard. Which would be the result if trying to switch on the generator with a failed engine one does not care to ignite. Granted, a critical time of transition, and if not more reason is to be seen in the future, possibly a time that could eventually mark the beginning of the end of the bloc as it was misplanned during the last ten years. I would cry for the EU as was planned during the 80s and very early nineties. for the EU of the past 10-15 years I would not shed a tear.

Nice one, Ireland!

06-13-08, 06:49 AM	#14
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,660 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Major German and British media have started to report that the Irish have said No. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7452171.stm Not even half of voters showed up at the polling stations, which is seen as an explanation. Assuming that the trend does not revers over the day, the Lisbon treaty by rules lined out by the EU itself is thereby rejected. It now depends on wether EU-tricksters and cheaters again think their time has come to try to buy the Irish vote in the third run to force through what people do not want (and after that maybe a foruth and a fifth attempt if needed), or if the message finally is being heared in Brussel that the content of the EU constitution, renamed as the Lisbon treaty, is not of the content and quality that it will ever find much love in Europe. Special deals for several countries, not to mention the excentricity of Poland (that even was rewarded), certainly did not help to make the Lisbon comnstitution any more popular and representative for what the EU claims it should be, in an idealistical meaning - the creation of the treaty had anything to do but with idealism. Threats by some politicians to kick out the Irish, or go without them, are unacceptable. One cannot set up rules, and if the outcome does not satisfy, kick out these rules one had set up oneself, or kick out the player following them but not producing the commanded result. One has cheated europe already three years ago. now trying betrayal of the europeans again? Many Eurocrats see drama and heaven falling, but metaphorically speaking I see it as a chance to shut off the locked engine, restart in midair, and get the generator finally working before the plane crashes hard. Which would be the result if trying to switch on the generator with a failed engine one does not care to ignite. Granted, a critical time of transition, and if not more reason is to be seen in the future, possibly a time that could eventually mark the beginning of the end of the bloc as it was misplanned during the last ten years. I would cry for the EU as was planned during the 80s and very early nineties. for the EU of the past 10-15 years I would not shed a tear. Nice one, Ireland! __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.