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Originally Posted by Schroeder

It does for no one as far as I know. We have to reduce our use of it as well.

Maybe, but since we are more reliant on it than anyone else in the entire world, it affects us 10 fold. In Europe, you can get places without a car. Try that in America! Everything is so spread out, it's an impossibility!

How is that possible? I thought Kyoto demanded the same percentage of carbon reduction by all the big industrialized countries. So we're sitting in the same boat....

Because our reliance on it is so much greater than yours. See the above post.

What would happen if the US simply decided at some level that they don't want Kyoto? I think you would just stop following it. I don't think your government would blow up your country for a piece of paper of an organization that has no real power (who is supposed to enforce Kyoto if you should decide to quit?).
Besides, as I already mentioned Europe wouldn't give you impossible tasks since we are depending on your economy (that's why everyone her is eager to see Bush jr. go, this guy has really wrecked your country).

Because it would be called by the world as an illegal act and fuel resentment worldwide for America more than there already is. It's a no win situation for us over here. It has not one single positive thing that flows form it. Some people point out that we get hybrid cars, but how many know what kind of extra damage nickle does to the envorinment? Or the hazardous waste created by the batteries? Way worse than the benefits of the car itself.

Again, who would be interested in destroying your economy? Globalization means, if your country goes to hell so does Europe (more or less). And I don't think Japan would be that happy about that either.

Has nothing to do with that. It puts a cap on growth, so as to bring the rest of the world up with the US, or the US down on the level with the rest of the world. To cap it, is to forget ever seeing 4% growth in this country as has been the norm for so long. Lucky if you get 1%.

I'll be writing some tests next week in university, so I hope you'll forgive me for not having time to read the 492 pages....

It says a lot. i suggest you take the time since it will answer a ton of questions for you.

Well, the price of gas will raise through the roof anyway. It's just a matter of time. Why you would loose jobs is beyond me, here in Germany we created new jobs to build all the new technology for the future. If something new is demanded than people are needed to develop and build it.

The only way to devlope and build it is to use energy in mnay forms. Just where is that going to come from?

Well, the technology is often available. But without pressure no one uses it, and since no one uses it, it stays expensive because of the small production numbers. With increasing production numbers the price will drop.
No one said it will be for free, but the costs can be handled (at least here in Europe).
And look, Germany is about 1.5 times as big as Texas (IIRC) , yet we have plenty of energy intensive industry (we have 8 big car manufacturers:Porsche, VW, Mercedes, BMW, Opel, Audi, Ford Europe, Toyota Europe; steel works [I've got one right next door]; wharfs etc...) so if we can manage to reduce our CO2 output without committing suicide then I wonder why a country with about as much industry would fall apart by doing the same.:hmm:

I'll close with this - the reason no one is using it is because there is no benefit to stopping what they are using now. So what if you have an inefficient car? Gas in the USA can keep at it's current levels alone from refining coal to gas for 250 years! This doesn't include our oil shale deposits, our tar sand deposits, our resources in oil in the Gulf, in Alaska, off the Atlantic, none of it. We have so much access to energy, there is no way oil should be as high as it is unless America is planning on draining Saudi Arabia and that's its sole mission right now! America could become energy independant from the rest of the world easily for over 300 years with our resources that we own alone.

Now the real issue - so what about the Kyoto agreement? So what if we release hydrocarbons? It is adding benefit without one single negative! If you watch the video in the first post - human caused global warming is not occuring. The paper further backs up the data, and there are actual benefits such as increased plant growth and increased animal life!

So why should we change our habits for a hypothesis that has been proved wrong on many fronts? Maybe someone can answer this for me, but this is my problem with this human caused global warming thing. If anyone bothered to check, if you average our temps of today, we are below average if you look at the data going back 3000 years.

-S