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The Kyoto agreement doesn't even allow for the US to maintain it's current levels of hydrocarbon use.
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It does for no one as far as I know. We have to reduce our use of it as well.
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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
It is almost as its specifically designed to not affect anyone but the USA.
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How is that possible? I thought Kyoto demanded the same percentage of carbon reduction by all the big industrialized countries. So we're sitting in the same boat. All of our car manufacturers have to build cleaner cars with less gas consumption for example. Not too easy for cars like Porsche and Audi are building.
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And how is this not control by the UN? The US can Veto things before they are in place, but can they Veto something after it has been put in place? i think not.
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What would happen if the US simply decided at some level that they don't want Kyoto? I think you would just stop following it. I don't think your government would blow up your country for a piece of paper of an organization that has no real power (who is supposed to enforce Kyoto if you should decide to quit?).
Besides, as I already mentioned Europe wouldn't give you impossible tasks since we are depending on your economy (that's why everyone her is eager to see Bush jr. go, this guy has really wrecked your country).
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Anyway, the main stab from the UN is the folowing:
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Kyoto is underwritten by governments and is governed by global legislation enacted under the UN’s aegis.
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Again, who would be interested in destroying your economy? Globalization means, if your country goes to hell so does Europe (more or less). And I don't think Japan would be that happy about that either.
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I'll be writing some tests next week in university, so I hope you'll forgive me for not having time to read the 492 pages....
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Do you realize that this bill would not only raise the price of gas through the roof, but that it would cost the US millions of jobs??? To the tune of $1.2 Trillion!!! Now, maybe I'm a goof at math, but I think $1.2 Trillion of the US's 13 Trillion yearly GDP is pretty good chunk!
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Well, the price of gas will raise through the roof anyway. It's just a matter of time. Why you would loose jobs is beyond me, here in Germany we created new jobs to build all the new technology for the future. If something new is demanded than people are needed to develop and build it.
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And you wonder why this stuff is scaring me? It's like a knife in the back of my country. What needs to happen is the technology needs to be made, and then used, not that you cut off current technology and make a mad dash to make new technology. It doesn't work like that.
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Well, the technology is often available. But without pressure no one uses it, and since no one uses it, it stays expensive because of the small production numbers. With increasing production numbers the price will drop.
No one said it will be for free, but the costs can be handled (at least here in Europe).
And look, Germany is about 1.5 times as big as Texas (IIRC) , yet we have plenty of energy intensive industry (we have 8 big car manufacturers:Porsche, VW, Mercedes, BMW, Opel, Audi, Ford Europe, Toyota Europe; steel works [I've got one right next door]; wharfs etc...) so if we can manage to reduce our CO2 output without committing suicide then I wonder why a country with about as much industry would fall apart by doing the same.:hmm: