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Originally Posted by Platapus

So American pride exists because American shame exists?

So pride in your church/religion exists because church/religion shame exists?

So the pride I have in my children exists because of the shame of my children?

Jus trying to understand this

In many countries homosexuality is illegal, in many others there is a significant cultural bias against homosexuals. Homosexual pride functions as a way to combat discrimination and hatred. It functions as a signal that mistreatment won't be tolerated, and a hopeful broadcast to closeted homosexuals not to be afraid.

The pride you have in your children would be analogous to this if there was a day-to-day message that you should be ashamed of them. There's no Hetero Pride parades because society has never been ashamed of heterosexuals.
Pride in your country could be a reaction to criticism, same as pride in your church.
Or, they could be genuine expressions of basic pride in accomplishments/ideals/etc.