[Safe-Keeper]

I think it is far more likely that they cast curses on us for our self-deconstruction, our unlimited relativizing of norms that keep a survivable social community together, for our shortsightedness and stupidity. In this context - and in several others as well.

Blah, blah, blah. You gay marriage opponents keep saying gay marriage is ruining society and causing divorce, but I've yet seen as much as a single one of you back it up with facts.

And even if gay marriage did cause a rise in divorce rates, that's not a reason to prohibit it. Women's rights, too, caused a huge increase in divorce rates, when women suddenly became economically independent and gained the ability to walk away from a failed marriage without being shunned by her community. Yet today we consider those good things.

Divorce rates increasing? Tough luck. There's a ton of things we can do to counter this without denying minority groups rights.

Your logic is flawed here Safe-Keeper and whomever thinks that the person who calls themselves "Gay" is not in violation of not God law or Man's law but what about the laws of nature if you must call it that...it's like trying to screw two nuts together or two bolts...it just does'nt naturally work that way.

Yawn. Not only is it an Appeal to Nature that you're not even being consistent about (if you really wanted humans to stick with nature, you'd go join the Amish), but there's also this kinky deal about .

Oh, and "God's law"? There's so much nonsense in the Old Testament that it could drive any sane man crazy.

Man though has the unique ability to try to rationalize any behavior as "OK".

Any animal has the ability to rationalize any behaviour as "OK".

[Skipping religious rant]

I do not care for them being together, it is not my business as long as they do not make it my and other's problem. the problem for me starts regarding the special protection of naturally created families, hetero couples I mean [...]

"Chauvinist? Me? I've got nothing against women, I just think they should stay in the kitchens where they belong."

"I've got nothing against slaves, it's their damned revolts, I can't stand."

"Those stupid nig****. Nothing bad about them as such, but geez, can't they keep the peace instead of marching and demonstrating all day?!"

"Traditional marriage" is a myth. Marriage has been changing nonstop for as long as we've had it. There have been several huge changes to the "institution of marriage" in this century alone.

I do not wish to see the already heavily battered institution of "family" being relativesed even more into meaningless.

I keep hearing people say this. I'm completely and utterly at a loss to understand why.

Did the thousand-year old system of democracy become meaningless when women gained the ability to vote? Did marriage become "more meaningless" when whites gained the ability to marry blacks?