[John W. Hamm]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

John, you're quoting me out of context. I didn't pop up in the thread saying "it's boring". Someone mentionned my name saying that maybe I could do it. Which I just answered giving MY reason not to do it. Now everyone is free to do whatever they want, it's none of my business. About the other quote, tell me it doesn't reflect the reality ?
Anyway, how do you think Xantro did his Deutschland ? How do you think I did my other ships ? We have the exact same tools, I gave tons of infos on both thread about how to fix this and that, so you can't say I'm making fun of people doing stuff. I'm just a wee bit tired of people asking other peoples to do things that they can bloody do themselves if only they bother reading 3 or 4 pages of info. I don't know how many times I wrote that, but with S3D & the sub/ship structure in SH4, turning an AI ship into a playable one is just a matter of copy/pasting text blocks, files and chunks with S3D.
The first lengthy tutorial I made gives anyone who bothers reading it 50% of a (rough) playable unit. If you read my other tuto for the flags (which is not only about flags, it also helps getting familiar with S3D), plus what I posted in the PocketBB thread, and pick a look at my mods you have an extra 49%. That leaves about 1% to figure out, it's not that difficult.
But if you (generally speaking) don't even give it a try, it's not gonna happen.
Again, with the tools available, the "I know nothing about modding" thing is NOT an issue. The first ship may take a few days to work, the second will take you half that time, and then it'll be a matter of a long evening.

Now, that's not intended to be a "flame" either, just a quick explanation (I could go on and on and on ), I just insist on the fact that anyone can do it (knowing that a playable unit is just the tip of the iceberg of a "real" surface mod).

I ceratainly see your point and I have dealt with the same issues, I think I conveyed that in my post. As far as the issue on the "not doing something simply because it's "boring", I think I was clear that it was Xantro that I was primarily irritated for doing so. If not I'll correct that mistake here.

I can ceratinly point out key threads of his in which the statement was made "Yeah I made that ship, I even used it in the game, but I won't release it.", the reason given: "it's boring".

I fully believe any one, at any time, has the right do or not do something...without question. And I can't fault any one for not wanting to release something. However It's one thing to say "I don't have the time" or "It's more work than I care to do", hey I will support those reasons every time!!. But if you say "I did it, I got it, I know you want it, but you can't have it. simply because you think it's boring... well you might as well be flipping me the finger.


As a matter of fact here is the post: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...020#post856020 you may have to read over 3 pages there, but you will get the full converstaion about it.

As far as taking you out of context... maybe so I will go back and re-read some of those threads, for the 10th time.

And as far as people asking for changes in mods... I can't deny it your right, but I also said that was a fact in my post already.

It was the responses that I read, in re-tort to people making those request's I felt were very inapropriate. I think that we as Modders (Maybe not so much just as Modders but as people of this SH community) have always shown alot more respect than people do in most other forums.

Never before in this community have I seen someone even hint at a negative sarcasm (maybe I have missed most of them) to another member, So to see you and Xantro banter back and forth about peoples request's and minimizing them really peaved me! thats just not something that I am accumstomed to seeing here.

But just take a look at this...

[QUOTEC=Xantrokoles] I could make it but it would be uninterresting in the campaign...[/quote]

Originally Posted by Xantrokoles

Driveable BBs are anyway boring

Originally Posted by Xantrokoles

I made a Iowa and I tested it -> result: too boring and it ruins the fun of the game

Originally Posted by Xantrokoles

Ahhhhh now I see it!!
But I won't give it out
NOT because it is so ugly made!

It is because when I do it, I will be abused as a Nazi or similar

Originally Posted by Xantrokoles

Hope you will not make a diveable BB out of our fleet boats...,
cause driving a BB is boring

Originally Posted by Xantrokoles

Originally Posted by Mikhayl
Fully agreed Xantro, IMO all surface ships are boring, I made mine because I was bored, but I better like to run silent and being the "weak" & tracked one
For the torpedoes I didn't really bother because I made it more like some "sail simulator" ship than a warship. But I was thinking, if you attach the torpedo tubes to a mobile launcher (like a gun turret), I wonder if the torpedo would still spawn with 0° angle from your sub or 0° angle from its parent launcher object Z axis :hmm:
And keep on, I don't plan any other ships myself !
PS : Seine Franzose ist klasse, and when the tank is done please make me a playable x-wing

:rotfl:
Ok I though about the torpedo launcher as a gun barrel...no problem until here
Then I need the torpedoes as ammo for the 'guns'
This might be a bigger problem

BTW
maybe we could make some...'harbour-enter-missions' with a yamato

Originally Posted by Xantrokoles

Mihayl, I wouldn't recommend you to make a BB, cause it is very boring...more boring to drive than your german split:rotfl:

Originally Posted by Xantrokoles

When you got a DD, CA,CL,BB campaign you all want a hovercraft, nuke sub, Aircraft campaign and then a tank game .....:rotfl:
Pease belive me that BB's are boring without AI torpedoes

And I think my initial title "Yea we get it" that made the point but if not... here it is spelled out "We get that there exists the possibility that BB's and other surface ships are boring!!", it has been made abundantly clear, over and over and over and over in thread after thread.

But I guess possibly what has really been missed by Xantro is "You must be the the only one that feels that way" (possibly a few others)

My point in pointing all this out is simply: Hey man if you think it's so boring STOP MAKING THEM!!! and quit putting people down because they like them. Its that simple.

Now as far as the guides and walk throughs go, Like I said at the end of my last post thank you for your help. Now I hope maybe I made myself a little more clear exactly who and what I was pointing at and pointing out.

it's just about respect.