[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by joegrundman

I was just asking. I notice a convergence between christians and global warming skeptisism and I'm curious why.

Really?? You seriously believe there are no Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, or atheists that are skeptical of man-made global warming? You don't think there are Christians who buy into it? Where is your evidence of such a convergance?

But as a self-confessed creationist you have a demonstrated track-record in placing evidence secondary to the desired answer.

My goodness. Look at the global warming movement in it's entirety. It's totally based on placing actual evidence as a secondary concern. It's based on believing static models of climate systems which do not exist in the real world, and based primarily on the last 100 years. Which is a sliver in Earth's entire existence. It is every bit as much an act of faith as is a belief that Earth, science, and remarkable universal constants such as gravity are derived from God. And at least religion acknowledges that belief in the origins of life coming from God is a matter of faith. Warming types tell us their beliefs are fact...which they're not. I know how to seperate religious faith from scientific principles. Nor am I alone in that ability. Regardless of what you yourself believe as a matter of faith, or no faith in anything at all, it is shortsighted to believe those who do find inspiration in religious faith are stupid or incapable of scientific study and research. One does not disprove the other. Your own belief in the origination of Earth and life as being not from God does not affect me in any way, nor does it make me see you as someone to ridicule. I realize many who have no faith cannot really understand this, and develop their opinion on this from articles they read on the Internet. Your own ideas of convergance of GW with any skepticism shows me that you may have been led to believe some of these notions yourself.

As far as me being tiresome, I'm tired and going to sleep. And I rarely have time to log in to this site anymore. I don't think I've logged on in 3 weeks. Everytime I come back though, I'm amazed this topic is still being discussed.

when it is obvious that at best you don't know.

As I said many times before, it is for them to prove their theories and assertions. They throw out their contrived theories and say "prove me wrong". That's not the way it works. It's more like, they don't know, and have not proven reliable in any type of forecasting they make.

I suspect anyway that rising oil prices will largely solve the problem within a few decades anyway. And as prices rise, alternatives will become more profitable, then big US energy companies will change their tune and Conservative Americans will all start singing a different song wrt alternative energy.

Agreed.

not really - it's too soon to tell and there is plenty of evidence that does not support your viewpoint

There's not a whole lot of evidence backing their assertions. And it's up to them to prove their theories. Not for me to disprove them. And they're not doing a good job at all.

Glad you liked it, it made me smile too. But nothing can be blamed on the global warming movement in this regard because no actual steps have been taken yet.

Yes. I found it humorous. What about biofuels and food shortages? What about the pressure to limit domestic drilling and refinement? Where do you think those pushes come from?