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Catfish · 04-20-08, 06:46 AM

Hello,

thank you for the link, never saw this page before.

I also wonder why the Kaiser left Germany, but times were different. Anyway a lost war does not mean an instant danger for a government (not even today hrrm). But apart from fear maybe the aristocrates did not want to live in a Germany now ruled by a democratic or socialist force, even if there was no real revolution, as had been in France long before, and Russia. And the years after the war were hard for aristocrates in Germany, but especially for the former soldiers, who were looked down upon, and despised, some even killed by the mob. The situation in Germany after the war, with the Freikorps etc. battling in the streets against the socialists and communists was a mess. And maybe Wilhelm felt indeed responsible - and maybe he did not want to be accused for it, hence his exile (?).

I also never understood why England did not intervene when the plan for the Versailles treaty became apparent, heaping all the guilt of the war alone on Germany. This had been the idea of the french politician Clémenceau, and it was not as widely accepted as it is told to us today. Maybe the British Empire was satisfied to have won the war, and established trade supremacy again (?).

Anyway this treaty and its results were felt as inquitous even by the german socialists, but their comfortable scapegoat for the situation certainly was Kaiser Wilhelm, and they blamed him alone. The politicial right force (nationalist/monarch) instantly invented the legend of the stab in the back, done by german socialists and communists, and blamed them for the outcome of the war.

"I still think that it was a disaster for the United Kingdom, a disaster for Germany, a disaster for Europe and a disaster for the world when the British government, after several days of hesitation, decided to throw in its lot with the Entente powers. The world situation as we see it now all stems from that fateful decision made on August 3rd 1914."

Well said, but maybe the British Government could have still helped defusing the situation right after the war, in refusing or denying Clémenceau's plan of the Versailles treaty, but however they did not. Maybe they had become a victim of their own propaganda.
Since Germany's unconditional surrender it was not in a position to intervene. It was definitely WW1 and its fortthcomings that laid the foundation for Hitler's dictatorship and the second world war. I wonder what will shop up in the british archives after 2018, when the locked-up archive files will be made available.

Thanks and greetings,
Catfish

04-20-08, 06:46 AM	#19
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Hello, thank you for the link, never saw this page before. I also wonder why the Kaiser left Germany, but times were different. Anyway a lost war does not mean an instant danger for a government (not even today hrrm). But apart from fear maybe the aristocrates did not want to live in a Germany now ruled by a democratic or socialist force, even if there was no real revolution, as had been in France long before, and Russia. And the years after the war were hard for aristocrates in Germany, but especially for the former soldiers, who were looked down upon, and despised, some even killed by the mob. The situation in Germany after the war, with the Freikorps etc. battling in the streets against the socialists and communists was a mess. And maybe Wilhelm felt indeed responsible - and maybe he did not want to be accused for it, hence his exile (?). I also never understood why England did not intervene when the plan for the Versailles treaty became apparent, heaping all the guilt of the war alone on Germany. This had been the idea of the french politician Clémenceau, and it was not as widely accepted as it is told to us today. Maybe the British Empire was satisfied to have won the war, and established trade supremacy again (?). Anyway this treaty and its results were felt as inquitous even by the german socialists, but their comfortable scapegoat for the situation certainly was Kaiser Wilhelm, and they blamed him alone. The politicial right force (nationalist/monarch) instantly invented the legend of the stab in the back, done by german socialists and communists, and blamed them for the outcome of the war. "I still think that it was a disaster for the United Kingdom, a disaster for Germany, a disaster for Europe and a disaster for the world when the British government, after several days of hesitation, decided to throw in its lot with the Entente powers. The world situation as we see it now all stems from that fateful decision made on August 3rd 1914." Well said, but maybe the British Government could have still helped defusing the situation right after the war, in refusing or denying Clémenceau's plan of the Versailles treaty, but however they did not. Maybe they had become a victim of their own propaganda. Since Germany's unconditional surrender it was not in a position to intervene. It was definitely WW1 and its fortthcomings that laid the foundation for Hitler's dictatorship and the second world war. I wonder what will shop up in the british archives after 2018, when the locked-up archive files will be made available. Thanks and greetings, Catfish