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Originally Posted by Graf Paper
Actually, those who discount God merely have their faith placed in Self, Science, Money or some other material thing as their god.
Everyone believes in something. You take many things on faith without even realizing that's what it is.
Just as a bird in the deep forest exists whether you're aware of it or not, God knows He exists.
No matter who's right, we'll all know who's wrong in the end.
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all your talking is nice and well, but in the end we theists are right, no matter what - and you know it.
And then some people wonder why they trigger aggressive reactions to such claims, for example from people like me. but I have no problem with people believing something that I find weired - as long as they keep their beliefs a private issue and do not demand others to follow them or take their beliefs serious - not even in disucssions like here. Like I also have no problem with people painting their appartement in a colour that I find terrible - as long as I must not sit inside of it and tell them how beautiful it looks.
Some of what you say is simply wrong, btw. especially the first paragraph says less about the ultimate truth you think you own, and more about your most personal and subjective beliefs. One ould at least label it a question of politeness that you name it as that, a private opinion, instead of generalizing it and claiming you speak for the only truth on earth that ever could be.
You may want to make yourself familiar a bit with the concept of atman and anatman, as an alternative to your daring generalisation in the first paragraph:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atman_%28Buddhism%29
Theists - so many of them convinced of themselves defining the nature of all mind and universe, and making the laws of nature bending to their precious beliefs, and declaring their own little being something the universe has to take note of, and has to save and to deal with. Theism is the greatest ego-trip ever, me thinks.
Keep your precious wonderful religions to yourself. They are your very personal and intimate business, and nobody else's. Directly or indirectly referring to them, and making them known in public, or even forcing them down some foreigner's throat, is not wanted.
Strange, just some days ago I was locked in anasty thread were sombody out of the blue started about religion and how much I defend it, and when I told him I hate relgions and do not defend them at all and that he should leave it out and better treat me as just this: a normal mortal human being, next he even accused me of mysticism.
If that isn't queer.