[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by fatty

Liberal founding fathers of America are rolling in their graves just a little bit more.

The founding fathers of America were certainly not liberal using todays definition of the word. They would be better described by todays non-interventionist, small government, libertarians at best. Nearly everything todays government loving liberal wants is anathema to the founding principles of the USA. Todays liberal Democrat spits on every founding principle outlined in the constitution, in particular economic freedoms, limited government, personal responsibility/self determination, and the acknowledgement that civil liberties are God granted inalienable rights that require a sense of morality and justness. The Founding Fathers of the USA would be utterly dismayed by the state of politics in America, but would be more inclined to see the side that believes in the above principles as more true to the core of the founding of America. That would be the conservative point of view. The Founders would be disgusted by liberal Democrats for much of what they advocate. And the list is long. By their own standards of how they handled "Benedict Arnolds" in those days / treachery against our military during a time of war, I'm sure those founders would advocate quartering or hanging many of todays liberals.