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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter
After all the **** in recent times that Muslims have been through, they finally get their chance to fire back. They're under attack with stereotypes and hate, although they can be the same way (but honestly, the Muslim community is under serious attack at this point). If you actually lived the life of a Muslim, then I'm fairly sure you'd understand why they fight for their beliefs (not just because the Quaran says they should; the Muslims in general suffer from extensive problems in social affairs, and they're becoming the new version of the black man during the 1950's and 1960's, discriminated against for their beliefs).
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That is hard to believe, since since the early 60s catholic church implemented an official policy of massively bending towards islam and trying to engage it in dialogue, and not even demanding reciprocity in "negotiation" results: instead the West for 40 years is making concessions and concessions for muslims living in the West, that never were answered on equal term from Muslim nations. I am aware that colonialism did some harm to Muslim communities in their native lands, and created instable and artificial constructions like for example Iraq. Nevertheless it is also an issue of capacity and potentials a culture has to offer, and the muslim world since the medieval fell behind, since it's ideological basis did massively hinder it to keep up with the accelerating developement of europe, and thus it wasted the advantages it one held over europe, regarding medicine, optics, and quite some more things. But this cultural impotency is a result from Islam putting it all into stasis, it is not he bad europeans that all of a sudden found a magic key to lock araba culture. Before Muhammad, Arabia was fully multicultural, and had best starting coinditioons be come today'S trading and cultural hotspot and centre, but instead... Blame the ideological basis that made this. Don't mess it up and claim others to be responsible for it. As I see it, Islam today demands to be given the fruits from other culture's work and accievements for free, while refusaing to work for it, or to chnage itself, but de,manding to impose it's own impotency onto others that should give it what makes them superior in science and economy and social systems etc.
I don'T buy your crocodile'S tears ypu shed about yourself. To the greater part, I see you people being responsible all by yourself for the fatalistic stagnation your societies were locked up in - by Islam. Nevertheless I really must say that I see a many muslim people running around here in Germany with a big mouth as if the world could not be without them, and as if their is no life than living in their home countries.
If Islam is so fantastic a culture, why did it strip you off your chnaces, why did so amny of you moving to the West, why are your native societies so archaic and regarding many potentials: so inferior, then?
Sorry if I sound a bit personal, but I am getting angry if Islamic people tell me that we are responsible for all what is bad in their home nations, but rejecting any responsibility their own culture has in making these nations what they are: societies run by the thinking and social motives ordered by islam. If you want to make these laqnds a better place to live - start to critically analyse the ideology these places are suffering from, since many centuries.
BTW, muslims hardly "fire back" in recent times. They have been on aggressive offensive for the better part of history and aucnhed the longest, most far-reaching military conquest that is known in human history. And when three major attacks onto europe nevertheless saw their demand to subjugate europe as well failing and turned them being frustrated over not getting what they wanted - I couldn't care less. europeans managed to get behind the inquisition, and the dark age, and the neutralised arabia'S cultural superiority, and took the lead, and set the pace, and became the global centre of gravity until recently. We banned the power of the religious dogma and the church. If you want to earn the fruits of these efforts, take the effort to sow yourself, and confront your relgion like europe confronted it's own. just don'T demand to be given the fruits for free without changing yourself at all, and not wporking for it, and even demanding us to accept you in our homes when your lands do not give us and other foreigners not the same rights and freedoms you enjoy here in return. islam is not your right to stay like you are, nor is it the remedy to your problems - Islam is the
cause of your troubles you are in.