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Originally Posted by mrbeast

My problem?

Well your assertion that gun crime is 'skyrocketing' for a start.

Actually gun related crimes have fallen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6960431.stm

59 people shot in the UK last year, which is literally 1 in a million, probably less actually.

That is because the statistics changed. Read how the cops changed the way things are reported. I can help you find an article on it you want. STEED posted one here at one point.

But i must commend you. You finially found something on the subject we are talking about instead of just giving an opnion. So lets lay it all out on the table and then we can have a discussion about it. We (I mean the subsim population in general) used to be great with discussions at subsim at one point, but lately, it feels like just a bunch of mud slinging.

Anyway, in response to that, I would like to commend the British people! Even when they had guns - no one ever shot anyone - it sounds like they are incredibly hospitable! I quote an article here:

The illusion that the English government had protected its citizens by disarming them seemed credible because few realized the country had an astonishingly low level of armed crime even before guns were restricted. A government study for the years 1890-92, for example, found only three handgun homicides, an average of one a year, in a population of 30 million. In 1904 there were only four armed robberies in London, then the largest city in the world. A hundred years and many gun laws later, the BBC reported that England's firearms restrictions "seem to have had little impact in the criminal underworld." Guns are virtually outlawed, and, as the old slogan predicted, only outlaws have guns. Worse, they are increasingly ready to use them.

That is incredibly low!

Anyway, guns have become a fasion statement for teeagers now. I quote:

Youth workers estimate that as many as 80 per cent of youngsters from tough inner-city areas are involved in gangs. Three fifths of those have guns.

Article here - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...on-507023.html

2003 marks the first year a killing occured with an AK-47 in Hoddesdon:

http://www.ladlass.com/intel/archives/010018.html

What do you guys think about this? I like their ignorance on the subject - kill anyone 800 meters away! Hahahaha! The 7.62x39 round would have dropped out of the sky long before then. Maybe they think if you slipped and fell on it? This would be a lucky shot with even a 5.56 rd and even implausable then! Typical media.

Anyway, I wish you and your British counterparts were armed once more. Reading this stuff makes me shiver at how vulnerable you guys are becoming.

-S