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Old 03-22-08, 12:07 AM   #12
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Yeah, I'd also love to see a modern subsim with SH4 like graphics, although the graphics really aren't that important to me. Too bad it's such a small market, my only hope right now is some company in Russia doing it since Russian devs seem to be developing some nice niche sims (eg. the Tank sims coming out). Aside from that, I could really go for an early cold war-gone-hot (40s, 50s) SH4 mod.

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Originally Posted by CCIP
What's not to like about DW?
Many, many things. Here are just a few right off the top of my head:

-no dynamic campaign. No real freedom to hunt around for targets, reload weapons, etc.
-My crew is full of idiots. For example, they aren't even smart enough to lower my periscope when I increase speed, so it breaks
-overall total lack of atmosphere. No real sense of being part of a larger conflict.
-The ban on any sort of playable sub mods. No DWX for you!!!
-Horribly simplified countermeasures/decoy system. Modern subs have a lot more than "active decoy" and "passive decoy." This extends to surface vessels, too. There's also no apparent modeling of the various types of anechoic tiles and the resultant changes in active sonar detection ranges for those
-Periscopes, snorkels, etc are somehow completely undetectable
-Extremely limited torpedo wire-guidance controls and the wires never break
-Linear sound profiles for ships/subs. WTF?
-Really weird stuff like audible active sonar returns from subs that are dozens of kms away
-I've heard that the Virginia's torpedo launch is quieter than flushing your toilet yet when I launch torps in DW, everyone can hear the launch hundreds of kilometers away; seems like swim-out/water-ram were never invented in the DW universe
-I've hit destroyers/cruisers to over 90% damage yet they're still sailing around, pinging me and launching choppers as if they haven't got a scratch. And somehow they can survive multiple torpedo hits, despite the fact that an MK48 or equivalent would obliterate most modern vessels in one hit (we've all seen the videos)

I could go on... but overall I have to say that I find DW to be a very poor representation of 21st century submarine warfare.

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Originally Posted by CCIP
Take a look at the sensor modeling in DW and you'll understand what I mean.
It only takes one look at the first page of the Dangerous Waters forum to realize that there is A LOT wrong with DW's sensor modeling. And I am in no way saying that SH4 is better.
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