Can't say I've heard of either of those Skybird, but I'll certainly check them out. Thanks for the refs, they sound right up my street.
Incidentally, re Steed's quote which you now use for your signature, have you ever read 'A Canticle For Leibowitz', by Walter M Miller Jr? It's about that sort of thing, as well as being post-apocalypse. Sounds like it might be one for you.
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