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Originally Posted by CCIP
yey, let's all generalize!  |
No, let's focus on the message being brought by Muhammad, regarding what Islam is - that is bad and disgraceful enough. the author ordered murder, raids and war throughout his life, and Islam's history is a history of war, cultural destruction, attack and aggressive conquest where the ressources for it were existent. That tells something - and it is not the message of peace and tolerance and coexistence.
Everything in Islam, including the Quran and canon of the socalled tradition of the prophet, Hadith, has it's basis in Muhammad's orders and preachings. Everything in Islam leads back to him, that's why it is "Muhammadanism". Generalization has nothing to do with it.
And that significant parts of the Muslim community especially in Britain are in favour of Sharia being implemented in Britain and that violence is acceptable to reach that goal (amongst the young males: over 50%, adults around a quarter to one third), is not a generalization, but a statistical finding. Or a german example of "unfair generalisation": the smaller group of juveniles from immigration families with Muslim background in Germany reach a crime rate as high as that of all native German juveniles together (a group several times as big as the first group) , making their crime rate multiple times as high as that of native Germans (so says our police statistics) - that too can hardly be seen as a generalization, but is a statistic fact, countable, and provable, year by year.
Where you want to save Muslims from "generalization", you may bebetter understand that the people you think of as that because they are in favour of this or that western value or ethic - by that alone often are already in violation of Muhammedan values, and in violation of what they are ordered for in the Quran. So you may want to think of them as either apostates who do not admit their state of apostacy (potential death-candidates), or deceptors. Both kind of people exist. Deception is not only acceptable, but males are even ordered to deceive if it is helping to strengthen Islam.
Let's stick to what Islam is by its own scriptures and prophet's demands when adressing what Islam is. why the wish to see it as something different than what it is in it's self-understanding? The name is not arbitrary and should not be used for any set of ideas somebody has, no matter what ideas it is, but means a clearly defined ideology that is what it is, and is not what it is not. One should not say Red when one points at Blue and then complain that other's visual sense is distorted and is generalizing in favour of the one colour. Too much talking today that has no meaning anymore, because of this.