[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

I'm no expert in economics, I was speaking in general. If possible, we need to cut away what china uses which is its cheap labour for foreign companies.

How? Paying our own workers even less? That means total social collapse of our siceities, and probabaly civil war.

Cut away that and the economy could possibly collapse in China.

no, it would slow them down due to losses in export. But they are perfectly survivable by their own, regarding the basic supply of their population. And by their enormous dollar reserves they could heavily retaliate. This is an almost biblical vulnerability of the US. that this allowed to continue, and to even wieden, and not sealing this archulkles heel, is something that tells me that some major minds in Washington have no strategic understanding at all. That is like not seing the link between the Iraq war, today'S oil price, and the massive blowback the war created for internal ameircan policies, finances, and social system.

I also said that it will be decades, maybe even 30 - 40 years before the west can take on china in terms of infrastructure and a manufacturing base.

Again my question: how? Even cheaper workers? As a matter of fact, our social structures alrerady are in desintegration, and middle class slowly but increaisngly collapsing due to - in germany - every decreasing purchasing power of private households: since over ten years, wage rises did not even compensate inflation, not to mention taxes, energy prices, etc. the way the Fed handles the dollar crisis dramatically helps to increase inflation worldwide (they should be shot for their total incompetence). and the weak dollar already massively damages european exporters, in other words: in order to support the American understanding of how to fund the economy, no matter how uncompetitive some parts of it (especially steel, manufacturing standards are lacking behind 30 years), really is, money is pumped into the market like crazy and is printed as if there is no limit. The ECB's understanbding of what role it has to play, is totally opposed to that of the Fed: the ECB's primary responsibility is to try to control inflation - not to help it increasing, like the Fed's policy does.

Personally I hate China, I think that the world has been weak, foolish and damned right ignorant in its dealings with what is essentially a dictatorship participating in the boarder-line ethnic cleansing in Tibet, and massacre of any and all opposition to the Communist regime.

No need to hate them, let'S keep politics and their damn party seperate from the culture and history. Let's keep 70 years of the party's history and 5 thousand years of history of ancient china two separate things, please. Else you would need to throw a Chuang Tse or Lao Tse, a Hui Neng or huang Po into the same pot with barbars like Mao Tse Tung - and that would be a great loss, really.

I hope that this years Olympia is a complete disaster, biggest in the history of the Olympics.

Agreed.

I hope to see wide spread political turmoil in China,

totally unrealistic. You do not seem to see that the vast majority of Chinese still support the way there country is functioning, and supoport the party - even if eventually wishing for some reforms here, some more livberties there. All in all, the demonstratoing students on the Square of Heavenly Peace were NOT representative for the Chinese population all together.

Possible? Maybe. Am I talking complete crap? Quite possibly. I just get very angry when a country which has so much blood on its hands can be so prosperous.

Has not been any different with any other of the great empires of the past. and in historical comparison, china may often have ruled with strong fist to it's inside, but comopared to other empires, it acted astoundingly peaceful and unagressive concerning it'S outside. In fact it rested so much in itself, that it took this status for granted and become almost defenseless, which was to be seen during the Mongole's storm, and again in the modern era when the Western powers arrived.

Don't let emotions blind you. Courage, reason and determination is good enough, like the Torrero shows. If you allow to decide by emotions, you do not decide, but get decided. In other words: you become the bull ending dead in the arena.