As to Skybirds posts, I hope we are still discussing on the same topic. All my arguments were concerning the reintroduction of the Iron Cross, not against the Bundeswehr. If you want
new military orders, that's fine and probably overdue.
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Basically, right wingers don't take the Bundeswehr serious because it is not like the Wehrmacht and left wingers hate the Bundeswehr because it is too much like the Wehrmacht
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I guess we can leave the german left wing out of our discussion - really not worth our time. But who would want the Bundeswehr to be more like the Wehrmacht?
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The Problem with the Wehrmacht is twofold: First of course the 2nd word war. Today, the leftist side does not differ anymore between soldiers and nazi executioners.
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I must side with you on this. To all uninitiated, see controversy the about the "Wehrmacht-Austellung" etc.
http://www.konservativ.de/wma/ow_dokum.htm
Really sad how someoene will push the "Nazi" button and the whole nation will jump. My grandfather for example was in the Wehrmacht exactly
because he was not a Nazi. Otherwise he could had taken a quiet post in his village, but he refused and preferred to get drafted.
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In my opinion, this whole philosophical crap is unecessary and the Bundeswehr would be far better off by just being an army like everyone else.
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Elaborate. Also take a closer look at our constitution and what this "Staatsbürger in Uniform" thing means.
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First of all, east germans do not have as many complexes as west germans and second, they traditionally have a totally different image of how an army should be run than in the west, especially if their fathers were in the NVA.
I remember a lot of conversations like "this is a joke, the NVA was a real army" with 20 year old guys who were 9 when the wall fell.
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I agree that the NVA (or it shouldn't it be NPA?) was much more like a real army than the Bundeswehr. Born in '73 my draft would have been due around '91- '93, but in the school holidays '88 and '89 I was already sent into camps where we got drilled by real NVA officers.
But please don't start to romanticize about the NVA or it's really getting stupid!