i'm newbie-found out need more ram thanks to this forum and it's on it's way. in the meantime changed particle density to 50% in game options-no ctd's ect since then-gonna reset to max once ram installed-just an idea-also apoligse for not responding to personal msgs. get odd error msgs. whenever i try-suspect it's got to do with firewall or somthing-got old drinking buddy who works for ibm coming over so that should help, but if you can live w\o eye candy until you get more ram try it-nothing to lose-cheers and thanks to all-devildog