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Originally Posted by DeepIron
Now that you know about me? Sky you don't know anything about me other than I believe in a God and a Resurrection.
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DeepIron, it simply is fact for me that reason and belief are mutually exclusive. It is pointless to argue with reason and argument with somebody who has choosen to believe something, or to quote the motto of the site Fish has just linked to:
"It is impossible to use reason to change an opinion reached without it." you think you use reason nevertheless, but much of ewjhat you pointed at regarding sciences and it's arguments I consider to be serioulsy twisted. Belief is not reason, and so is religion as well. You can't have both. If you choose to beliegve, your reason submits, and logic capitulates. You give up your independant thinking. That is the essence in EVERY religion or cult.
I am not describing myself as a Buddhist but have sympathy for much of what is to be found there, however I know a lot of Buddhists who would strictle reject a description of buddhism being a religion. In fact it is the most drastic empirical approach on world and life that I know both in East and West, science, mythology or philosophy. It means: see yourself, check yourself, understand your existence on the basis of your own experience, examine your mind and become aware of how it functions and how it forms your image of yourself and the cosmos "around" you. believing is cheap. gaining knowledge is much harder. that is a life-long scientific project, but it is a hundred thousand times better than just believing that man is plum pudding because you read a recipe for plum pudding in your grandmothers cooking book.
Your other aspects of life and personality i am not so much interested in, since my interest in you is limited to the object of this discussion - here I found you, and here we separate again. You have defined yourself as a believer, okay, I can live with that since you do not give me the impression you wish to enforce your belief onto others and make it the dogma of public life. But I also know that you have set a line beyond which you do not will to accept reasonable argjment. Your strange distortions of some "scientific examples" you gave illustrate that. It is here where it becomes pointless for me. Also, some comments gave me the impression you do not really understand all of what I said, at least you interpreted it wrongly, in parts.
but again, you do not seem to try imposing your religion onto the world and public life and national systems, so I can very well let it go and must not feel tempted to fight with you, for what you believe in your private home is of no real interest for me and is your own business. so i say "take care, mate", and would eventually pick another partner for further discussion. but in fact I am already in overtime.
So: take care, mate! Hope your beliefs nevertheless pay off for you in any way.
