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Old 02-22-08, 12:59 AM   #142
joegrundman
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You mean you are not even a creationist? You believe in evolution but not as it would therefore apply to humans. Bah! Is that how the Bible describes it?
Evidently you haven't read my previous posts too well. And what, labeling me a "Creationist" must certainly conjure up some preconceived notions regarding my intelligence and personality. Probably in the negative... You seem find it difficult to accept that I can reconcile aspects of evolution with faith in God? Guess it just doesn't fit your bias towards me because I'm a "Creationist"... and hence, stupid or narrow-minded... or worse, blindly faithful...
errm..ok...whatever dude. Really I have no problem with people trying to reconcile their beliefs and the scientific developments. I see it all the time with scientists who are also religious. In fact i think it's somehting that has to happen, but how this reconciliation occurs is important. ID is not it, i'm afraid, as the ID drive on schools was really an assault on science, not an attempt to reconcile.

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Why don't you spell out what you think happened, more or less when, and how and why. Then we'll all take a look. Maybe you are right, you know. That's the way it works. Lay your theory out in one post (if it will fit) in a logical and clear presentation and let everyone test it.
If I had all the answers then I would be God, but I don't so I'm not. Do you have all the answers and would you care to substantiate and share them? I'm open-minded enough to consider your point of view.
Don't be silly. Although if you are now claiming you don't have a theory, I'll accept that. As for my theory why don't we just say it is the theory of evolution.

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But let's not re-hash ID
But Intelligent Design is integral with creation. Does the thought of having been designed bother you? If you consider yourself just a "complicated monkey" then so be it.

It doesn't really bother me, no, I just don't believe it. More to the point, why does it bother you so much to think that you did evolve through random mutation?

Incidentally, as an IDer do you not also believe monkeys are intelligently designed?


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The list which started with 100 prominent scientists just a few years ago, has now risen to over 700. Hmm, seems to be a trend here... There is a link on the page to a .pdf containing the names of those who have signed.
Yes i looked at that. I know a lot of MD's and Phds, and I'm afraid the 700 does not make a drop in the ocean. Frequently there are 700 in the same room as me, and i talk to them. I can tell you from first hand experience, you are not infallible once you have a phd or md, and nor do you all become experts in every field. Look how many phd's and highly educated people are in the 911 truth movement for an example.

this is not to say i hold phd's in low regard. the opposite is in fact the case, and they are a worthy thing to aspire to.

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Certainly, as sure as your are about your information in this regards, providing a few credible links shouldn't be hard. Right?
Surely you jest. Very droll. Otherwise you couldn't possibly make out you haven't heard any of the vast amount of literature on the matter, or even that well known court case.

why not try a google search on "debunking ID" and another on "ID and creationism" and tell me when you've finished reading it all.

OK, good luck and nice talking to you, I'm outta here.

Joe
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